Apple Offer Negotiation

New ltoa
Aug 11, 2018 17 Comments

Currently a senior front end eng at a startup in the Northeast, making good base for a startup at 170k. I got a verbal offer from apple:

Position: Senior UI Developer
Location: SFBA
YOE: 9 total as SWE, 4-5 as front-end and full-stack
Base: 155-170k
RSU: 100k
Sign on: 20k
Relocation: ~12k

I fucked up in two ways, first by letting my current base slip to the recruiter, and second by not doing enough research on TC beyond base so I didn't immediately have an expectation when the offer was made (I actually didn't even expect an offer).

I haven't accepted the verbal offer yet, and I feel like it's a bit low on the RSUs from what I see here but worried I no longer have much bargaining power since I didn't set a good expectation up front. Im happy with my current position, so walking away is not a problem at all However I do want the position if I can get the offer up to match my current base and more like 200-250k RSUs, I'm just not sure the best way to approach since I've never really had to negotiate much for previous positions.

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  • TI / Product IOlOl0
    Ideally your base should increase to at least cover cost of living adjustment... should get a base close to 200k and increase rsu to relocate from (Boston?) to the bay
    Aug 11, 2018 8
    • TI / Product IOlOl0
      Take a look at levels.fyi and ask them what level they have you slotted as. I’m assuming your offer is ICT4 with how high the base was. I’m assuming your stock is 100k/4 Years not 100k/year right?
      Aug 11, 2018
    • New ltoa
      OP
      Right, 100k/4 years. So yeah, according to levels the base is good but RSUs is very low
      Aug 11, 2018
    • New ltoa
      OP
      180k/yr stock seems really high, can anyone confirm that's possible for ICT4?
      Aug 11, 2018
    • TI / Product IOlOl0
      If you scroll down below on levels.fyi it shows the stocks everyone gets and even the lowest is 40k/year. I think you can definitely negotiate RSU up... assuming your base is 170 then your TC should be higher with various bonuses and what not right? You can probably tell the recruiter you’d love to work for the team but would need a more compelling offer to move half way across the country and adjust for cost of living etc... do you have a family you need to move? I had a friend get 300k rsu total due to competing offer from tsla... If you interview with fb/G it may help?
      Aug 11, 2018
    • New ltoa
      OP
      Yea I looked through the list but the 160k/yr entries seemed high, but maybe that's possible for some. Moving with my wife and baby, so yeah def need more compelling TC. I probably won't go through the process at G/FB now and just leverage the fact that I'm currently happy and leave this on the table if they won't move much. If that happens, I'll interview a lot more whenever I decide to leave which should help. This time I wasn't looking around, I just said yes because this position was interesting enough.
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Netflix here4kix
    You lost your leverage because you told them your base and you have no other offers. Now the only thing they have to beat is your base or you have to really negotiate and be prepared to bluff walking away and they not being able to call your bluff. Or get another offer quickly.
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • New ltoa
      OP
      I really am prepared to walk away because while I want this position, I also do like my current job, but yeah I think this is the only leverage I have left. If it doesn't work, at least I'm still in a good position and lesson learned for next time.
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Apple
    Capt’nCook

    Apple

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    Apple
    Capt’nCookmore
    Idk UI salaries but that sounds low tbh
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Proofpoint / Eng
    Java333

    Proofpoint Eng

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    Symantec
    Java333more
    What ur front end stack
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • New ltoa
      OP
      React/redux/Apollo
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Volvo / Eng
    fcvP36

    Volvo Eng

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    Ericsson
    BIO
    10+ YOE in USA; 4+ globally
    fcvP36more
    You say you live in NorthEast; how's your the cost of living where you're today in comparison to SFBA?
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • New ltoa
      OP
      Rent is going to increase significantly, everything else is similar. That's my main issue with the base, but technically the bonus will cover the difference. Plus my current equity, while very generous, is only options and I'm not sure how to compare that RSUs that have immediately value upon vesting.
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Capital One mediocre12
    What kinda algos did you have to do? I have an interview next week for same title
    Nov 9, 2018 0

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