Apple Refresher in iOS MacOS org?

NetApp hitech2.0
Dec 30, 2018 24 Comments

How are apple refreshers in iOS MacOS org?
Evaluating an offer: 160/105/50 (base/RSU over 4 years/sign on). (Cupertino location)
TOE:8
Have competing MSFT offer in Pittsburgh (130/100/40). Both seem similar given the cost of living in Cupertino. But thinking if apple refreshers are worth/live upto the hype.

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  • Verizon / Eng vedmak
    260 at SF/SJ is a lower middle-class no? I thought you need 350-400 there to make a good living.
    Dec 30, 2018 4
    • NetApp hitech2.0
      OP
      Hmm. That's my concern. But debating over bay area's future opportunities vs Pittsburgh and apple refreshers. If apple refreshers are great, it might make more sense over msft offer.
      Dec 30, 2018
    • Google euBx84
      How is it 260... It's 130 + 105/4 + year end bonus.

      This is low TC in Bay area for your years of experience(especially compared to other offer in Pitt). I would suggest going to msft, working a year or two, and then trying again in Bay area if that's where you want to go.
      Dec 30, 2018
    • NetApp hitech2.0
      OP
      But won't they low ball me again with similar offers again in 1-2 years, when I move from east to west coast?
      Dec 30, 2018
    • Google euBx84
      If you come here, regardless of refresh, when you find out how much everyone else makes you'll search for jobs guaranteed within 1-2yrs.

      Im saying you should go to Pitt, work for year or two, get multiple competing offers in Bay area(not two separate locations), and you'll get massive raise.

      For reference I'm 1.5yrs out of college and my TC next year is 215k (132 base, 26k bonus, 57k stock). My TC raised 19% last year, but I know for fact I could ask for 250k externally(have multiple friends with similar YOE, getting external offers).
      Dec 30, 2018
  • Apple ratWheel
    I think you r getting hired as ICT3 and for that it makes sense. (On the lower side but not too low). Come here if they take you in as ICT4. That guarantees better refreshers.
    Dec 30, 2018 4
    • NetApp hitech2.0
      OP
      So RSU refreshers vary hugely with level and not a % of pay? Also is it hard to get promoted to ic4?
      Dec 30, 2018
    • Apple ratWheel
      Yes, they are more dependent on your grade than your base pay. And you cant get promoted to ICT4 by just working hard. There are other factors involved. There are many engineers in iOS org who spend 10 years at ICT4. So, Apple has a decent bar to go from ICT3 to ICT4.
      Dec 30, 2018
    • NetApp hitech2.0
      OP
      Ic4 isn't being given. They are firm on ic3. Recruiter says they are around 40-100k. Does that mean meeting expectations gets 40k?
      Dec 30, 2018
    • Apple ratWheel
      That’s kind of BS ppl throw to make you sign. Meeting expectations can mean 5k or 40k. There are no guarantees.
      Dec 30, 2018
  • Apple AusasPr69
    ICT 3 or 4? Refresher depends on the level.
    Dec 30, 2018 4
    • NetApp hitech2.0
      OP
      ICT3
      Dec 30, 2018
    • Apple AusasPr69
      Would be about 85k - 150k
      Dec 30, 2018
    • NetApp hitech2.0
      OP
      That's pretty decent. Is that for meeting expectations?
      Dec 30, 2018
    • Apple AusasPr69
      Yes. Ranging from meeting expectations to exceed expectations.
      Dec 31, 2018
  • Micro Focus / Product GWOz11
    You'll be living like a king with that offer in Pittsburgh.
    Dec 30, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng
    GCoin

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    GCoinmore
    Try to get a competing offer from another company in Bay Area otherwise this is standard Apple offer (mine was similar coming from east coast).
    Dec 30, 2018 2
    • NetApp hitech2.0
      OP
      Ya.. But there's no time I guess.... 😒 debating the value in Bay area, career wise. Money wise it makes sense to stay in Pittsburgh unless... Apple refreshes are "great"
      Dec 30, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      GCoin

      Google Eng

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      GCoinmore
      Career wise for SWE: Bay Area >>> anywhere else. Quality of life, happiness, values, etc is a different story.
      Dec 30, 2018
  • Microsoft ramare
    What's the team in msft?
    Dec 30, 2018 2
    • NetApp hitech2.0
      OP
      Storage.
      Dec 30, 2018
    • Microsoft Renegade
      Likely the Avere acquisition
      Dec 30, 2018
  • Intel / Eng xdCS17
    You probably need to be making $80k more at Apple to account for the cost of living difference. Go look up housing costs and tax differences to get a better sense. There are also bonuses to factor in.
    Dec 31, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng mad👩🏻‍🔬
    That's not much money for the bay area, but can't say much about apple refreshers other than I've heard they're good.
    Dec 30, 2018 0