Apple ict4 to ict5 promotion for new hire

Feb 3, 2018 35 Comments

HR says I will be hired at higher end of ict4 level and will be promoted to ict5 in 1-2 years based on performance. Can I believe them? or stress to get ict5 now itself (which seems not that easy)?

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  • OP
    Thanks for the feedback. How do I deal with HR in this case? Why are they giving false impression? May be involve hiring manager in the discussion?
    Feb 3, 2018 14
    • Apple / Eng cpKz41
      Not sure about Austin, but in the Silicon Valley it’s definitely not in the high end.
      Feb 4, 2018
    • Apple a1z2x3c4
      Actually in Silicon Valley, I will say this is lower side of ICT4. But the base in Austin will be different; I don’t know what’s the difference in scale for same position in Silicon Valley vs Austin.
      Feb 4, 2018
    • Apple Vxle
      What’s the high end of ICT4?
      Feb 5, 2018
    • Apple / Product G🍎🍎G
      Ict4 band is $147K-$217K
      Feb 5, 2018
    • Apple / Eng cpKz41
      The range is different for software and hardware engineers
      Feb 5, 2018
  • Apple 911RS73
    ICT5 is hard to get. I am working on it now (15+ of experience, top reviews consistently)... ICT6 is legendary (but I know 1 so it exists ...)
    Feb 3, 2018 2
    • Apple FkMa71
      There are more ic6 than would seem at first. We have a couple on our org
      Feb 3, 2018
    • Apple / Mgmt RqcQ24
      IC6 is different than ICT6
      Feb 4, 2018
  • Apple / Eng Aplcoin
    If IS&T then maybe.
    else NO WAY!!!
    Feb 4, 2018 0
  • Apple / Eng
    C. Bigsby

    Apple Eng

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    Clayton Bigsby , y’all !!
    C. Bigsbymore
    Op , if you are ICT5 material , rest asssured you will be promoted to that level. You will have to a pat above your peers and will have to have great impact . In many ways it’s better if you come in as ict4 so when you get promoted you get double the RSU refreshers . Also salary changes way more than 10% without promotions . I came in at low end of ict4 and my base salary has jumped by 50% in 4 years , and very healthy yearly rsu refreshers.
    Feb 4, 2018 3
    • Apple iWork
      This. Don’t negotiate your title. At Apple your title is very opaque. Negotiate your salary as high as you can and if they let you choose your level, level down so you get the bump when you get promoted. The jump to ict4 to 5 is hard but DO NOT take 160 for ict5, that basically means you’ll be stuck at 160 for your time at Apple. At ict4, if you’re stellar, you’ll get ict5 and a 10% bump.
      Feb 5, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      C. Bigsby

      Apple Eng

      BIO
      Clayton Bigsby , y’all !!
      C. Bigsbymore
      Base comp bumps are nice - but the real deal is in the rsu refreshers.. At Apple when you get promoted you get your standard rsu for your level plus rsu refresher for the level you are promoted at . Plus rsu refreshers are yearly.
      Feb 5, 2018
    • Lam Research rektkid
      Can I DM you ?
      May 6
  • Apple / Eng
    Alugobi

    Apple Eng

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    Google
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    Don’t know what the hell i’m doing with my life!!
    Alugobimore
    BS. Recruiter is giving you a false hope. If u talk with hiring manager, still I guess u can’t believe him.
    Feb 4, 2018 0
  • Apple chipotlefa
    iCt5 is hard to get. Like really hard. 3 years top performer and counting
    Feb 4, 2018 1
    • Google / Eng Alpha Zero
      I agree. Ex-Apple employee. Recruiter is selling you fantasies.
      Feb 4, 2018
  • Apple Knorma
    They can’t promise this to you. ICT5 is difficult to get in most orgs (IST is a big exception here).
    Feb 4, 2018 0
  • Microsoft ScottGut
    Don’t do it. Typical trick by Apple. IC5 or no deal.
    Feb 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon mittromney
    I don’t work for Apple, but your performance in level and operating at the next level is going to deferment if/when you get promoted.
    Feb 3, 2018 0
  • Apple vYfX46
    Talk with the hiring manager. The manger will promote, not HR. The IC4/5 defaults based on the years of your relevant experience. 4/5 is also relative to your peers. Leave this to the hiring manager, focus on your compensation to hit the spot on the offer. If you somehow negotiate into an IC5 and your IC5 peers are way above your level then you will be in trouble as you are expected to perform on that level.
    Feb 4, 2018 1
    • Apple Mojostar
      This. Also i like to be paid ict5 money without having the pressure to perform.
      Feb 4, 2018
  • L3 Technologies emqN07
    What does ict mean? Sorry
    Feb 12, 2018 0
  • OP
    Thanks!
    Feb 4, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Xjkahzh
    Have them write it down on paper else it's just a trick
    Feb 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon
    Deep dodo

    Amazon

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    Deep dodomore
    Do not believe what a recruiter promised. I was once in a job that has target bonus discounted 20 to 50 percent every single year to everyone including top performer.

    Even when they have record breaking profit.
    Feb 4, 2018 0