Apple is tracking us with way more precision than we think.

Amazon fnuLnu
Jan 9, 2018 43 Comments

So now apple does not want you to turn off your Wi-fi. With recent change in iOS 11, the wifi toggle button in control center does not turn off your wifi, rather just disconnect you from wifi. While it doesn't seem much, this little change in feature will allow apple to continuously track you via wifi networks that your phone will detect.
Traditional tracking via GPS/Carrier network can only track you to a certain address (Shopping mall, for example), but tracking via Wifi lets apple track you as precisely as exact location in a building (like, which shop in the shopping mall or which table in the restaurant.)

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086

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  • Apple vwBW63
    Things that help with this sort of tracking are tin foil hats, voodoo paraphernalia, and shaman gear. Use all three in conjunction for best results.
    Jan 9, 2018 3
    • Amazon indian
      Privacy and surveillance are pretty serious issues and customers care about them. Dismissing your customers’ concerns as paranoia or lunacy is not a great way to address. Apple has a pretty good track record, but that doesn’t mean they will always do the right thing. If this is how you address your customers’ concerns then IMHO they have a right to be suspicious.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Amazon fnuLnu
      OP
      Is that what Apple recommends to its employees to avoid getting tracked, as part of employs benefits. 😂😂😂
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Apple vwBW63
      Please stop with the FUD already.
      Jan 9, 2018
  • Apple / Eng
    Marijuana

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    I ain’t got no worries.
    Marijuanamore
    You can tell Siri to “turn off Wi-Fi” (or go to Settings) to turn it off completely if you’re actually concerned about this.

    Most people want airplay and airdrop to work even if they’re not on their home network, which is weak in their bedroom.
    Jan 9, 2018 16
    • Apple / Eng Senator
      I’m just saying: some people internally had the same complaints. People in charge explained why they did it this way. Feel free to whine...
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Amazon fnuLnu
      OP
      @senetor, yeah I can understand that. A VP’s goal of increasing location impressions by x% is more important than broken feature.
      What people in charge did not tell was that with this little nifty change most people who turn of their Wi-Fi will not take the trouble of raking the long route to turn it off. And that will automatically improve the location tags for every consumer. More data to run more analytics.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Amazon fnuLnu
      OP
      @marijuana

      Existing feature:
      Wi-Fi on <toggle> Wi-Fi off.

      Current feature
      Connected <toggle> disconnected

      These are two mutually exclusive use case, users needing one cannot use the other use case.
      A product owner should have been included to make these features inclusive.

      Right feature :
      Connected <toggle> disconnected <toggle> radio off <toggle> radio on Connected
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      Marijuana

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      I ain’t got no worries.
      Marijuanamore
      They’re not mutually exclusive.

      The only reason I ever want to disconnect from Wi-Fi is because the Wi-Fi sucks in my bathroom. I’m completely unaffected by this change.

      There is absolutely no use-case for turning the radio off. It doesn’t help your battery, either.

      Like I said, if you’re particularly concerned about this for whatever reason, use a Workflow (give it an icon your home screen so you can do this with one tap), or use Siri, or go to Settings.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Apple £€¥
      Double down on above ^^
      Jan 10, 2018
  • Apple / Eng
    C. Bigsby

    Apple Eng

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    Clayton Bigsby , y’all !!
    C. Bigsbymore
    This apple is tracking us and all tech companies are equally evil trope has got to stop. You guys have no idea how seriously Apple takes user privacy and the ends to which it goes to ensure privacy. We don’t mine any aspect of your personal data. As someone who has to deal with privacy related engineering at Apple this shit infruriates me no end.
    Jan 9, 2018 3
    • Zoosk / Eng Concast
      Bwahahaha! 😆
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Microsoft MDuE35
      Apple does not mine it, but intelligence agencies funded by central banks do. If Apple does not allow it, they are probably out of business.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Apple hfr
      Our business is doing just fine. And no, we don’t allow others to mine it because we don’t *collect* it.
      Jan 9, 2018
  • Apple vRaN64
    Are you fucking retarded.
    Jan 10, 2018 2
    • Amazon fnuLnu
      OP
      What have we got here, a case of keyboard warrior??
      Jan 10, 2018
    • Apple vRaN64
      No it sounds like we have a case of someone who bought all the tinfoil in their nearest dollar tree.
      Jan 10, 2018
  • Apple £€¥
    You got to be kidding me. OP is concerned about wifi tracking location? That is not even accurate statement. any engineer should know some basics. Lol
    Jan 10, 2018 0
  • Amazon fnuLnu
    OP
    Yada yada yada.... Please!! privacy is so 2008... Today its all about ad revenue and behavioral data mining.
    Look us in the eye dear privacy related engineer and tell us that you don't mine what our routine is. That you dont mine "most of the time spent is at starbucks", good candidate to onboard on apple pay...
    Jan 9, 2018 8
    • Amazon fnuLnu
      OP
      Truth hurts.... Two apple responses , both contradicting each other. You just accepted You are doing it... Device ? Cloud? Don't matter my friend. You are analyzing my behavior, and to do that you are breaking features. You are steamrolling consumer preferences and features to get that behavior mining/analysis done.
      Sure you don't have my PII, this conversation is not about PII so thats out of scope.
      This is about you putting 100s of 1000s of me under microscope to rake in money, and breaking features to force us to participate when we want to opt out.
      This is about absolutely 0 respect towards consumer and arm twisting approach to get what you want.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Amazon fnuLnu
      OP
      To be put flat, This is about bullying your consumers.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Amazon fnuLnu
      OP
      Fixing my company? You are joking right. My company is not offering $29 batteries to avoid multi million dollar fines in the class action suite.
      Your lawyers would think that nobody would make notice of their plan. People do.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Apple hfr
      🙄
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      C. Bigsby

      Apple Eng

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      Clayton Bigsby , y’all !!
      C. Bigsbymore
      Amazon launching professional troll service now and testing it on blind.
      Jan 9, 2018
  • Apple / Eng
    DEADBEEF🍻

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    DEADBEEF🍻more
    Guys. This seems pretty harmless. It has nothing to do with tracking at all. If you really want to know who is tracking you, open your google maps app and view your location history. That’s mind blowing.
    Jan 9, 2018 4
    • Amazon fnuLnu
      OP
      When I click the button to turn off my google maps location history it actually does turn it off, instead of using shady change’s to make it look like its off.
      That’s something Apple could learn from Google.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Amazon fnuLnu
      OP
      And about harmless, its as harmless as the intention of the feature requester/stake holder.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      DEADBEEF🍻

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      DEADBEEF🍻more
      Lol. Apple has nothing to learn from Google when it comes to user privacy. Are you kidding me? We can go around in circles all day, OP. You clearly demonstrated the axe you’re grinding. What is really tracking you is your 3rd party apps. Not Apple. Apple doesn’t even know who you are outside of data stored on the device and iCloud. In fact they go through phenomenal efforts to not know who you are.

      That said, they shouldn’t have messed with this knob. I think people can live without airdrop when they intentionally disable WiFi.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Amazon fnuLnu
      OP
      @Deadbeef thank you, you get my point. I am well aware that tracking is unavoidable. And everyone does it.
      I am disappointed at shady tricks to disguise it. Should not have messed with that button.
      Jan 9, 2018

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