Apple vs Amazon - evaluate offer

Microsoft wMKI10
Aug 2, 2018 30 Comments

I'm based out of Bangalore, India; So are the offers.
Even if you're based out of Seattle/SFO/NYC/London etc., I'd like to know your general inputs.

Current YOE: 6 years (Years at Microsoft: 5)
Level in Microsoft: 62

Current TC (in INR):
Base (22 lacs) + Bonus (1.5 lacs) + Stocks/year (8 lacs) = 31.5 lacs INR/year

Offers I'm evaluating:

1) Amazon | SDE2 | L5
Base (28 lacs) + Joining bonus (14 lacs for first year, 11.5 lacs for second year) + Stocks (35 shares with 5%, 15%, 40%, 40% schedule) ~ about 45 lacs INR/year

2) Apple | ICT3
Base (32 lacs) + Joining bonus (4 lacs) + Stocks (75000 USD in 4 years) + 1.5 perf bonus ~ 50 lacs INR/year
Team: Apple Online Store, Bangalore

3) Indeed | SWE3
Base (42 lacs) + Joining bonus (3 lacs) + Retention bonus (3 lacs) + LTips (that vest after 2 years) ~ 48 lacs INR/year

I have a few questions:

1) What is the range for stock refreshers & perf bonuses in Apple for ICT3 and in Amazon for L5 ?
2) How easy is it to move to the US/London offices in Apple ? (I know that Amazon and Indeed promote it a lot)
3) If I want to move to Microsoft/Uber/Google/Fb in the future, which of these would be a stronger brand name ?

How's the Apple Online Store team in Bangalore, India ?
I'm trying to get data points on quality of work, amount of on-call load, quality of work life balance, amount of firing/retention.

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  • LinkedIn InIn
    Congrats, and you have explained your scenario very well!

    I would say join Apple or amazon depending on the domain of work. Note domain of work is more important at this stage of your career, good salary will follow with good domain.

    Do not think about moving to US or abroad for better career prospects. Generally moving to US on L1 visa through a company will invite you being underpaid. L1 does not have an LCA like H1B and also you cannot shift companies and getting green card is a nightmare for Indians.

    Rather live like a King with that salary in Bangalore
    Aug 2, 2018 1
    • Microsoft wMKI10
      OP
      Thank you for the reply, especially wrt L1 Visa ! It was a very useful insight
      Aug 2, 2018
  • Apple maxos
    Wow 50 lacs for 6 yoe?
    Aug 2, 2018 2
    • Intel headsonfyr
      On par with the market, Infact current TC is low. Good job on gtfo OP!
      Aug 12, 2018
    • Uber ehhm88
      6 yoe is making around 65+ lacs in market these days.
      Jul 18
  • New / Eng kkdjekssos
    the average income in India is about $1700 per year, can’t believe you can get these numbers.
    Aug 7, 2018 2
    • Microsoft theBigBad7
      I will finish 6 yoe in July 2019. I am at ~44lpa ( excluding Performance bonus) INR at Microsoft. And I think there are people from my batch doing better. Not IIT.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Microsoft D Schrute
      @theBigBad7 - level ?
      Aug 13, 2018
  • Apple / Eng
    CptHaddock

    Apple Eng

    BIO
    2 b or ! 2b
    CptHaddockmore
    AoS is part of IS&T at Apple .
    Aug 2, 2018 5
    • Microsoft wMKI10
      OP
      What is IS&T ? How is this org in terms of refreshers, wlb, quality of work ?
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      CptHaddock

      Apple Eng

      BIO
      2 b or ! 2b
      CptHaddockmore
      Just search on blind.
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Microsoft wMKI10
      OP
      Are IS&T engineers considered inferior to other engineers in Apple ? And are all teams in IS&T as horrible as the reviews portray them to be ?
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Microsoft wMKI10
      OP
      Do recruiters entertain requests to be considered for a different team in apple ?
      Aug 2, 2018
    • New / Eng gt7788
      what is TC range for ICT3 AT 3.5YOE. I have competitive offer.from Flipkart and swiggy
      Dec 31, 2018
  • Intel headsonfyr
    FYI I know a friend who's been in the Hyd office since the beginning.. Have great things about culture and seems like good WLB. Might be dependent on team. Also he gets good comp plus travel 2 times a yr to HQ. Might not be as big a name, but if role is good, does it matter?
    Aug 12, 2018 2
    • Microsoft D Schrute
      Is this about indeed ?
      Aug 13, 2018
    • Intel headsonfyr
      Ops, yeah Indeed
      Aug 15, 2018
  • Blue Cross Blue Shield Avzx33
    IIT?
    Aug 2, 2018 2
    • Microsoft wMKI10
      OP
      Yes. Although I don't think that's paid a big role in determining pay
      Aug 2, 2018
    • LinkedIn baingan
      Lol
      Oct 12, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng AmYe88
    Leave all offers and move to Microsoft USA
    Aug 2, 2018 2
    • Microsoft wMKI10
      OP
      Have some constraints, I can't move to US right now. But I want to have that option open in the future
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng AmYe88
      Then Apple is the best option. A trillion dollars company. They give easy moves to USA as well
      Aug 2, 2018
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    • Microsoft wMKI10
      OP
      Thanks :)
      Scenes in India have changed for Software engineers, especially if you have a good background !
      Aug 3, 2018
  • Tesla LEETCODER
    What is the wlb in India? Are people working from 8am - 8pm in the Indian office?
    Aug 2, 2018 1
    • Blue Cross Blue Shield Avzx33
      Preety much the environment is much more fun and people dont get bored
      Aug 2, 2018
  • Amazon AYB99
    OP, where did you join finally?
    Oct 23, 2018 0
  • Blue Cross Blue Shield Avzx33
    Pick Amazon stock will continue to rise but it is going to be a lot of work.
    Aug 2, 2018 0
  • Apple tr1llion
    How much does Goog pay in bangalore for 6 yoe?
    Aug 2, 2018 0
  • General Motors WBEE64
    Congratulations anyways. Every one of those offers looks great.
    Aug 2, 2018 0