Apple vs LinkedIn, which one would you choose?

VMware halt&🔥
Apr 22 62 Comments

Have offers from them.
Apple is ICT4 TC about 300k.
LinkedIn is Senior Engineer, TC is about the same.

Which one is better and why?
In terms of perk, LinkedIn seems nicer, free food and unlimited PTO
While Apple has no free food and less PTO, but I heard the refreshers are really good.

I don't care about free food much, I don't like travel so the PTO is not that important for me.
I do want to reach 400k TC in 5 years.
Apple with good refreshers sounds promising.
For LinkedIn I have to be promoted to Staff to break 400k.

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TOP 62 Comments
  • Amazon / Eng DeepObsess
    Unlimited vacation means I dare you to take it
    Apr 22 1
    • LinkedIn
      gr6L

      LinkedIn

      PRE
      Goldman Sachs
      gr6Lmore
      Not true for Linkedin. We generally take several weeks(I've seen 3-5) off in addition to 2 weeks company shutdown and 12 indays, all paid.
      Apr 22
  • Cisco / Eng lHMA75
    Unlimited PTO is not really a plus. It just means when you leave, the company will not pay you for your PTO balance.

    400K TC should be easy in either companies in 5 years.
    Apr 22 1
    • LeanTaaS ♥️ data
      Normally max which we can accumulate is 250 hours. Let's assume the base is $200k.

      200,000÷2,080×250 = $25k Max. Just FYI, this would be like the best scenario in most of the cases.
      Apr 22
  • Apple almostDon3
    LinkedIn, Apple sucks...
    Apr 22 5
    • VMware halt&🔥
      OP
      Care to share why you think it sucks?
      Apr 22
    • Apple / Eng
      iHateFruit

      Apple Eng

      PRE
      Apple
      iHateFruitmore
      Terrible career growth and a notable history of managers bullying their workers.

      Also the engineering quality at least in software is not too great with a lot of flawed architecture and duplication of projects/code
      Apr 23
    • LinkedIn tac6
      What makes you think its any better at linkedin
      Apr 23
    • VMware halt& 🔥
      After reading your other post I can understand why you think it that way... What is your org ? That sounds like IS&T...
      Apr 24
    • Apple almostDon3
      AMP
      Apr 24
  • Zillow Group doomer
    4 years senior what a joke
    Apr 22 2
    • VMware halt&🔥
      OP
      Well... I know some guys in Amazon got to SDE3 (L6) which is also a Senior title, in 3 to 4 years.
      It's not about how many YOE, a guy can have 10 years YOE yet still get offered a junior role in FAANG.
      What more important is how many YOE ones have on really good experiences. 4 yoe in FAANG is definitely valued more than 4 YOE in noname company.
      Apr 22
    • Amazon forcefully
      What are Seniors at Zillow usually like yoe-wise? I'm at top-of-band Amazon SDE II comp with 3yoe and Zillow recruiter said they'd interview me for Senior bc their SDE II wouldn't match my comp.

      Also, LinkedIn (and Salesforce) have title inflation so most ppl's SDE II is their "Senior MTS."
      Apr 22
  • Apple maplkzvacy
    @op which org...? At apple.. you will get nothing till next September 2020 unless you have significant impact. Apple review cycle for this year deadline is April 15/22 not sure exact date... plus you are getting really good salary for yoe... I have frds who just joined apple base and everything is lower than you with more yoe... don’t count refresher unless written on paper... and it depends on org team etc

    I have heard great thing about LI WLB n perks..
    Apr 22 4
    • VMware halt&🔥
      OP
      ISS, yeah I know about the review cycle. That's fine since I have sign up bonus to cover that part.
      I also think this package is ready good. But LinkedIn is equally good on money...
      Currently I am leaning to Apple because
      1. I like Apple more than LinkedIn as the brand.
      2. Commute is slightly easier for me.
      3. I am interested in the projects / products I will be working on. It's one of the newly announced service in special event few weeks ago. Sounds like high profile.
      Apr 22
    • Apple maplkzvacy
      Yup then go for apple seems like most of things are present when you look for next role
      Apr 22
    • LinkedIn tac6
      Then go w apple. Sounds like you want ti
      Apr 24
    • Cisco / Eng lHMA75
      I think LI is better brand for SW eng. If you like work better in Apple, then you should choose Apple. You will not go wrong on either choices.
      Apr 24
  • LinkedIn tac6
    Apple for refreshers
    Apr 22 0
  • Apple industry
    Bro, don’t fall for the unlimited PTO bullshit.
    Apr 22 0
  • VMware bYBY23
    Senior at LinkedIn is very wide level. Anything inbetween 2-8 years exp. Its somewhat similar to MTS-3 at VMW.
    ICT4 at Apple is overlap of Sr. MTS and Staff level of VMW
    Meeting expection at Apple for ICT4 can get you decent refresher while I believe it would be hard to get any refresher for first couple of review cycles at Ll.
    Also consider teams. System and Infra is known real deal at Ll. Make sure you understand work and team at Apple also.
    Hope this helps.
    Apr 22 3
    • VMware halt&🔥
      OP
      What? LinkedIn Senior MTS pays way better than VMware Senior. Maybe even higher than VMW Staff 1.
      Apr 22
    • VMware bYBY23
      Dont compare level against salary. Think like how long will it take for someone out of college to become senior engineer at VMW vs Ll. The only thing common between VMW, Apple or Ll is your YOE.
      Apr 23
    • VMware bYBY23
      Btw LinkedIn is also great place. Just be little careful on level and eng org that you are interested in.
      Apr 23
  • LinkedIn glasscave
    You don’t care about free food (sure okay) but how do you not care about PTO? I’m worried about you
    Apr 22 3
    • VMware halt&🔥
      OP
      Apple has 12 days (year 1) to 21 days (year ?)
      Plus two company shutdowns. That's enough for me.
      And from my experience in Amazon. People often take PTO but don't report to system as long as managers ok with that...
      Apr 22
    • Apple QAvc78
      One more day per year. So you need 9 years exp to get 21 days.
      Apr 22
    • LinkedIn glasscave
      LI has 17 days off and then you get your unlimited (20-30days) per year. Big difference
      Apr 22
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    • VMware halt&🔥
      OP
      LinkedIn Staff is 350k to 450k league. I don't think they will offer me this with my 4 year YOE no?
      The recruiter did say 18 month to get to Staff is a reasonable expectation if I perform well.
      On the other hand I heard ICT5 promotion in Apple is really difficult...
      Apr 22
    • VMware halt&🔥
      OP
      Well Apple never revealed the level to me. But this TC is almost impossible for ICT3. And if it does turn out to be an ICT3 that's even better, because I would have really high TC as an ICT3 and still relatively easy to get a promotion.
      Apr 22
  • Apple QAvc78
    Good for you for the offer. On the dark side, of you enter Apple as ICT4 and just 4yoe, you have a big challenge ahead of you to get any promotion. There will be probably several ICT4 in your org that initiated important framework or wrote patents while you were still in high school. They are in line for ICT5, and overtaking them is possible but not so easy. Good luck.
    Apr 22 1
    • Apple QAvc78
      Less than 10% of eng are ICT5 as far as I know. So in a team of 10, you need to be the most impactful.
      Apr 22
  • LinkedIn / Eng goldenhand
    Honestly, there are no bad choices here. If you're good, its definitely possible to reach Staff in 5 years, where TC can go over 400. If MSFT stock keeps doing well, it can reach 500k as well. Wlb & perks are pretty good here, & people are mostly smart & helpful. OTOH, Apple has better refreshers & you are saying that the team is promising. Toss a coin.
    Apr 23 0
  • LinkedIn
    bashogaya

    LinkedIn

    PRE
    Amazon
    bashogayamore
    Grass is greener on other side, i will say Apple 🙂 but no doubt LinkedIn is great and if you work hard you can be visible easily
    Apr 22 0
  • Apple almostDon3
    What’s the base, stocks, sign on bonus break down, I can tell you from there if it’s an IC3 or 4
    Apr 22 6
    • Apple almostDon3
      ICT3
      Apr 22
    • VMware halt&🔥
      OP
      Wow, I don't know that ICT3 TC is that high. So the data in levels.fyi is wrong?
      Apr 22
    • Lol no way this is ic3. Just ask the recruiter op
      Apr 22
    • Apple QAvc78
      No way it is 3 :) sounds even top of ict4
      Apr 22
    • Apple maplkzvacy
      This is ict4
      Apr 22
  • Apple airbook
    Op which org at LinkedIn? I personally feel linkedin is a better place for software people
    Apr 24 1
    • VMware halt& 🔥
      ETC Enterprise Talent Consulting (or is it ETS, s stands for service)
      Kinda surprised to see the poll result, I always thought Apple has better reputation than LinkedIn. Well, I guess Apple still a hardware company.
      However, I am betting software service is going to be a new pillar of revenue for Apple. ISS seems doing quite well.
      Apr 24
  • Cisco meowwww
    How’d you prep? Congrats
    Apr 22 1
    • VMware halt&🔥
      OP
      Leetcode and experiences.
      Apr 22
  • LinkedIn / Eng iManage
    Staff in 5 years will definitely happen
    Apr 22 1
    • Amazon 63784747
      What’s Staff TC @LI? What’s the expected YoE for external staff hires?
      Apr 22
  • Cisco meowwww
    What if it said Apple vs Microsoft
    Apr 22 3
    • VMware halt&🔥
      OP
      Microsoft is at very low place at my list. I would not even consider it when I choose my next job... Well, unless I want to move to Seattle I guess. Their products don't interest me. The pay is not impressed. I don't find any passion for me working for Microsoft...
      Apr 22
    • Cisco meowwww
      It’s a joke because LinkedIn is owned by them. So might want to reconsider them
      Apr 22
    • VMware halt&🔥
      OP
      Yeah, but my understanding is LinkedIn still maintain its own way. It's own perks, pay scales and leaderships.
      Apr 22
  • Microsoft UMbR31
    Congrats!! How many yoe you got?
    Apr 22 2
  • Google chenku
    Yes
    Apr 22 1

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