Apple vs Microsoft offer

Motorola / Eng
Solaire

Motorola Eng

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Jun 26, 2018 36 Comments

2 yoe

Apple (Cupertino)
Base: $150k
Stock: $105k / 4 years
Sign-on: $30k

Microsoft (Redmond) - lvl 61
Base: $130k
Stock: $125k / 4 years
Sign-on: $40k split 2 years

I’m also taking into account the potential to learn/grow.

Update: Zillow beat Microsoft’s offer, I’ve decided on Zillow(Seattle).

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TOP 36 Comments
  • Facebook supichai
    You are overpaid with both, so take anything
    Jun 26, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Meh_Meh
    1. The real salary is better at Microsoft. In Seattle, housing is much cheaper than in Bay Area (don’t get me wrong, it’s still very expensive), and WA has no income taxes.
    2. On the other hand, as iOS developer you can potentially have much more career opportunities in Apple. But you can always pick up another language at any time!
    Jun 26, 2018 0
  • Apple bruhbruh
    Apple. The company values really shine and they truely care about their employees. This coming from a previous retail employee. If retail is wonderful, I can't even begin to fathom corporate life. The HQ is new, built like a tank - specifically for employees. Apple really invests in you, your health, and your future. Also, money is not an issue for apple. Have a conversation with your hiring manager and see if they can compete
    Jun 27, 2018 6
    • Motorola / Eng
      Solaire

      Motorola Eng

      BIO
      Praise the Sun!
      Solairemore
      OP
      The position is at Apple Park
      Jun 27, 2018
    • Microsoft
      SellStuff

      Microsoft

      BIO
      This is my bio.
      SellStuffmore
      I don't think money is an issue for either company
      Jun 27, 2018
    • Microsoft Meh_Meh
      Both companies are similar here. Microsoft is an older company and doesn’t have the culture of “spend you whole life on campus”: after 6pm, there’s barely anyone left on campus. But those are details.

      (Also Microsoft is rebuilding a large chunk of the older part of campus)
      Jun 27, 2018
    • NBCUniversal / Eng GvTv43
      “after 6pm, there’s barely anyone left on campus.” This lack of passion shows in the products 🙄
      Jun 27, 2018
    • Microsoft Meh_Meh
      It’s called work life balance, in some companies the culture values that more.
      Anyways, a lot of people work from home of course.
      Jun 27, 2018
  • Microsoft !=Leetcode
    I would take Microsoft to be honest. Cost of living and no state taxes alone make it worth it
    Jun 26, 2018 9
    • Microsoft tdwE08
      Apple’s match is not nearly as good as MS. I think it’s only 6%?
      Jun 28, 2018
    • Postmates / Eng
      Dond

      Postmates Eng

      BIO
      Been in huge defense contractor, mid-sized finance, tiny startup.
      Dondmore
      How much is MS?
      Jun 30, 2018
    • Microsoft tdwE08
      They do 50% match up to the limit. It is the equivalent of 9.25% for a 100k salary
      Jun 30, 2018
    • Postmates / Eng
      Dond

      Postmates Eng

      BIO
      Been in huge defense contractor, mid-sized finance, tiny startup.
      Dondmore
      So 50% matching up to ~19.5%?
      Jun 30, 2018
    • Microsoft tdwE08
      Uh, so basically if you contribute 18,500 they will match it with 9,250 of their own
      Jun 30, 2018
  • Microsoft
    SellStuff

    Microsoft

    BIO
    This is my bio.
    SellStuffmore
    I think the real question is, do you like rain or sunshine?
    Jun 26, 2018 0
  • Apple Lionel!
    Apple gives better stock during review for top performers
    Jun 26, 2018 0
  • AQR aibot
    don't they have cap on shares at 17K per year for L61? and 22K for L62? yours seems to be higher than cap.
    Jun 26, 2018 3
    • Motorola / Eng
      Solaire

      Motorola Eng

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      Solairemore
      OP
      I’m not sure about that
      Jun 26, 2018
    • Microsoft !=Leetcode
      The cap is for non new hires. For refreshers.
      Jun 26, 2018
    • AQR aibot
      thanks
      Jun 26, 2018
  • Microsoft !=Leetcode
    And also dont forget.... as you get promoted or your salary goes up, you see more of that money every year because no state income taxes.
    Jun 26, 2018 1
    • Motorola / Eng
      Solaire

      Motorola Eng

      BIO
      Praise the Sun!
      Solairemore
      OP
      I didn’t think about that, that’s a really good point
      Jun 26, 2018
  • Workday / Eng
    swk1

    Workday Eng

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    Workday, Cisco
    swk1more
    MS no doubt.. I live in Bay Area and have friends at apple and at MS both. Seattle is nice too and growing. 130k is Seattle is definitely a lot more than 150k in Bay Area.
    Plus as a work culture and life balance I would recommend MS
    Jun 29, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Notmsft
    Have you disclosed to ms your Apple offer? They may try to compete. I could certainly see 135k base for L61, and there’s room on the equity grant as well, probably up to 140/150 range.
    Jun 27, 2018 1
    • Motorola / Eng
      Solaire

      Motorola Eng

      BIO
      Praise the Sun!
      Solairemore
      OP
      The original numbers from MSFT were lower, I did tell them about Apple’s offer and they came back with these numbers.
      Jun 27, 2018
  • Apple Okidoki
    What about bonus?
    Jun 26, 2018 0
  • Cisco / Eng
    Godsgrace

    Cisco Eng

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    500 Startups
    Godsgracemore
    Does sign on at Microsoft includes relocation? It’s pretty good for 61
    Jun 27, 2018 2
    • Motorola / Eng
      Solaire

      Motorola Eng

      BIO
      Praise the Sun!
      Solairemore
      OP
      It does not
      Jun 27, 2018
    • Cisco / Eng
      Godsgrace

      Cisco Eng

      PRE
      500 Startups
      Godsgracemore
      What’s the relocation u got for MS ? If not ask for it
      Jun 27, 2018
  • Salesforce / Eng Jebdj492
    MS stock is usually for 3.5 years, not for 4 years. Also MS bonus is 15%. Definitely 135k in Seattle is better than even 160k of bay area.
    Jul 10, 2018 0
  • Research Now / Eng Arschloch
    Apple .... why would you even consider MS.
    Jul 2, 2018 0

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