Are Democrats losing their mind?

Credit Karma Yayyyy
Jun 28 100 Comments

I understand they hate Trump but wtf was debate.
1. Decriminalize border crossing, let everyone come in & we will take care of them.
2. Free Healthcare for illegals (while Americans pay!)
3. 70% Tax on rich (really, working hard & being rich is a crime but violating border laws is not)
4. Speaking in Spanish (not too long till they say speaking English is racist!)
Seriously, telling people to come in legally is racist now?

And what was that about abortion covered for Tran-gender man converted to a woman. I am all for LGBTQ but a man converted to woman can't get pregnant!!

Debate was like -
How would you solve this problem for America? Trump is bad.
What about American infrastructure?
But, Trump is bad.
Infrastructure?
Dude, Trump is bad 😂

And the person who made most sense got only 2 questions, Andrew Yang!
LOL, I feel democrats are trying very hard not to win next election. They want to make sure they don't even win by mistake :p

EDIT-1 - speaking in Spanish is cool, but not as political issue but as respect to community. I don't like how US democracy has choice between less evil and more evil. US deserves great vs good level of choice on voting!

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  • LinkedIn cd-
    OP conveniently left out the fact that all immigrants (legal or otherwise) are economic assets that can create value.

    Healthcare actually is not expensive. The rest of the world can tell you that. Americans has created a system where greedy middle people can scrape off a layer at a time that adds up to all the expenses.
    Jun 28 24
    • Uber bаrt
      Ask any Canadian about health care and how much taxes they pay to support it. I have friend who have waited 4 months for MRI and months for other things. Children wait years for autism therapy. You won’t go bankrupt, yes, but there is no private health care in Canada. Private health care is illegal in Canada. You pay for things is months of waiting and in your taxes.
      Jun 30
    • Microsoft alpdoff🍅
      Canada's health care sucks. If the US health system is not that great, why rich people from all over the world come here for procedure?
      Jun 30
    • Oracle fandantan
      Because they are delusional and impatient and don’t trust the doctor’s triage results. also Canada is not the best example of Universal health care. Why not compare to a better example or why not think of a better example than the current best, that’s innovation and that’s the context of the Bill Gates comment.
      I already explained to you how open borders are supposed to work. Not how they currently work. You are stuck in a circular loop.
      Jun 30
    • Oracle fandantan
      And yes, universal healthcare IS controversial, you do get an A+ plus for that aseveration.
      Jun 30
    • Credit Karma Yayyyy
      OP
      I am debating with you cz I feel it's constructive debate and not getting hostile. As an observation - if country with less population than California can't implement universal health care properly, how are we going to scale to 330 million?! We can't compare Switzerland to USA, because no one right now has solution at scale for health care.
      I can make Facebook for 100k users faster than today but I will be screwed to make Facebook so much faster & better for 1 billion users.
      And point here is somebody tried to make Facebook for 100k users and it still isn't working as expected! (talking about Canada)
      And there is no side choosing in Healthcare, because frankly forget politician, we don't have a solution to that yet. But I can agree to 1 thing, cannot push to universal health care only and abandon private insurances which not all, but some Dems proposed. And the way they are executing projects in California, I would not trust government & not support privatization to end.
      Jun 30
  • Target / Eng tmDe33
    No candidate is for #1.

    Illegals already get free (we all pay for it) health care, it's called the emergency room.

    The 70% tax, that no candidate is for, is a marginal rate, which you don't understand.

    50 million people in America speak Spanish, is that ok with you?
    Jun 28 33
    • Tesla dizzypop
      We can do better, but not by transfer of wealth from middle class to Democratic voters.

      Same thing with reparations, college debt cancellations, etc. All about buying votes.
      Jul 2
    • Lyft done2
      The Democratic Party has no use for the middle class. Once they’re gone then we can just nationalize the rest of industry and achieve full Venezuela
      Jul 2
    • Target / Eng tmDe33
      Pretty SAD that you're willing to accept paying double for health care to own the libs or something. Yeah sure "transfer of wealth". Show me the republican plan to get Americans insurance. Show me the republican plan to halve its cost. Go nuts.
      Jul 2
    • Tesla dizzypop
      This system is still better than “civilized countries having muh free healthcare”. In those countries there’s actually two systems, one is shit tier “free” healthcare for the poor and the impoverished middle class that’s paying for it, the other is USA-level healthcare for the rich.

      In this country the middle class can afford great healthcare, the only such country in the world. Try to take that or the guns and you’ll split the country into two. And then good luck with your poor comrades and free stuff.
      Jul 3
    • Target / Eng tmDe33
      Bog standard right wing argle bargle with an extra helping of "fuck you I got mine". Great country we got here.
      Jul 3
  • Uber hoenbfhik
    They are literally handing the presidency to Trump a year and half early
    Jun 28 0
  • Apple / Eng tWBu16
    I support decriminalizing immigration and letting anyone who wants to live here come in.

    But I don’t support the government helping people buy health care or insurance for them. I do think the health insurance should be heavily regulated so that they don’t screw people out of money.

    Speaking in Spanish is cool

    Violating the border laws is a misnomer since the border laws we have are really unfair to foreigners
    Jun 28 14
    • Credit Karma Yayyyy
      OP
      You are changing your words now. You literally wrote we should have open borders and "who are we to come in the way of people crossing the border". Now you are talking about immigration fairness. As much as I would like immigration fairness, that's not on a table from both sides. My point was very simple - how can decriminalization of border crossing seem like a good idea? I am saying the same thing you are saying now regarding focusing on taking people legally be it a poor farmer (we have some H2 visa for them like over 400k of them but I don't know for sure) so even if you show values, take an appropriate visa, apply GC and come and that is fair not walking in. Open borders and decriminalization of border crossing IS NOT good for ANY country. And there are enough Americans NGOs helping not-privileged ones get their paperwork. Their countries also have governments.
      That is way, we have A to Z visa for every kind of person to come in legally, we have diversity visa for diversity in country and that must be followed. Quote "It will never be ok to just walk through border and get away with it & that is being proposed right now by one of side." America or any country for this matter will and should never be like this.
      Jun 29
    • Oracle fandantan
      I agree we are getting caught up with semantics. And I also agree the US currently has many diverse programs to allow diverse immigrants. The farmer temporary visa program is great. With Trump’s policies that program should strengthen and become more organized and that will enable more of these people to come here, safely, temporarily, work hard, and receive healthcare and rights since they are legal. That will also ensure fair treatment and pay. And that will benefit both parties, the US who needs the help and the farmers who need the money and would rather stay home close to their families. That program is a win-win and humanitarian. I wish republicans would advertise them as such, instead the narrative is hate filled and fear fueled and that is the problem. That reps hear it negatively and respond with fear. I do think a lot of conservative approaches and policies are humanitarian and fair and if we all evaluated each other’s point of view from that perspective we would see the good and not misinterpret it as bad, just like we are kind of doing here when presented with the construct of an open border. This is why debates are meant to be useful and helpful, but unfortunately, because language is limited and dualistic, and reality filtered by our own limited brains, communication is hard.
      Jun 29
    • Credit Karma Yayyyy
      OP
      Jun 29
    • Oracle fandantan
      Me too. Though the decriminalization itself does not mean open borders so I don’t see how it is relevant to the conversation.
      Jun 30
    • Credit Karma Yayyyy
      OP
      @oracle if I can cross border & nothing will happen to me (only civil violation), it is equivalent to open borders.
      Hypothetical example - you are not too scared if you overspeed cz if you get caught, you will be given a ticket.
      But you are scared for DUI cz it's big violation & you can't drive for a year and all.

      Now, I make a rule tomorrow that drink and drive is also small violation and you can get away with just paying for ticket - $50. Do you think people will not drink and drive? They will be like why take Uber! I will drive to bar, get drunk and come back. It's only 50 even if I get caught.
      Crossing border is actually a crime, not a civil violation. It's tampering with national security. Try it in ANY country in world & you will face a tough time & it can't be converted to mere civil violation.
      Relate this to border, even with fear of ICE deporting they cross the border, now we are just saying come on in, don't worry. It can't be more open border than this!
      Jun 30
  • Microsoft lsk,jshs,.
    Or, voter fraud is real
    Jun 29 6
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Or locking up children and singling out a group (people crossing the southern border) for looking for work or asylum isn’t popular with their voting base.
      Jun 29
    • Netflix / Eng LoveDeathR
      Even if they can't vote, their children will. Democraps are playing the long game.
      Jun 30
    • Oracle fandantan
      Nice Netflix. Yes, long term strategy and planning is a thing democrats tend to do. Also, they don’t focus on symptoms but root causes.
      Jun 30
    • Netflix / Eng LoveDeathR
      Sure, decriminalization can certainly stop crimes. Exactly the reason why my car was smashed the other day.
      Jul 1
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Week 1: “Democrats want to import illlleeeegals!”

      Week 2: “You can’t criticize Trump for theses harsh measures on immigrants because Obama did it first!”

      Yes, the Democrats are playing a long con... by increasing ICE and border patrol and building border fences, they are coming closer to their secret plan for open borders. Devious!

      Or no. Unfortunately in real life the DNC also supports restricting and repressing migrants. The difference between them and the Republican politicians are that they just don’t want to say mean things about migrants while repressing them.
      Jul 1
  • New zzzooo
    I voted for Trump but that said I was thinking about it and I can’t believe that out of a nation of 330M people, with many of the brightest minds on Earth, this motley crew of candidates is all the DNC can muster. I mean wtf. How about Mark Cuban at least after all his shit talking.
    Jun 28 1
    • Finale Inventory / Eng huHG50
      Mark Cuban supports universal basic income like Andrew Yang.
      Jun 28
  • ViaSat / Design mark1650
    Trump derangement syndrome is having some nasty side effects.
    Jun 28 0
  • Oracle fandantan
    Admittedly I didn’t watch the debate but I find it hard to believe that’s how it went. Maybe that’s what you got or understood but that’s only your reality. I have noticed that this war between reps and dems is basically based on a misunderstanding of point of views. Not really on a point of view being stupid or invaluable. Most people in politics have decent brains, except Trump of course. I am in awe when I see reps refer to AOC as ignorant. I mean, I can think of many words to describe her, like dreamer, unrealistic perhaps if you wish, but ignorant wouldn’t be the word I would chose. She can be many things but not ignorant. What’s so ignorant about free education or using renewable energies? Nothing ignorant about that at all. It’s brilliant, if anything.
    Jun 28 4
    • Credit Karma Yayyyy
      OP
      Question is not are they good things or not. Question is how are you going to do something? This is real world, not fantasy land. I would like to have a world without police, open borders, everyone is nice to each other. Is it the case? Who will be responsible for criminals entering into country?
      Who will pay for free health care of everyone? Free college of everyone?
      Medicines R&D are freaking expensive, paying for college staff is expensive.
      It is brilliant to do things, how about giving a plan how will they achieve it? Or idea is go more under debt for our future generations?
      Jun 28
    • Microsoft lsk,jshs,.
      The new green deal with the cow farts in it, that's what you are called ignorant for. The statements on the holocaust and the concentration camps, that's what you are called ignorant for. Now you can interpret all this like a beautiful dream with a few brain farts, but then you are ignorant.
      Jun 29
    • Oracle fandantan
      Cow farts contain methane: truth. Detention camps are concentration camps by definition: a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution. The term is most strongly associated with the several hundred camps established by the Nazis in Germany and occupied Europe in 1933–45, among the most infamous being Dachau, Belsen, and Auschwitz.

      Literally. Doesn’t get anymore clear than that. Ignorance is not the right adjective to describe these facts. Ignorance is paradoxical to facts, you see?

      And if you think concentration camps is exclusively used to describe the concentration camps in Nazi Germany, then you are wrong. Concentration camps is not a trademark or patented term or idea. Per the definition above, forced labor is optional, as is mass execution as well.
      Jun 29
    • Oracle fandantan
      It sounds to me like your own mind is a concentration camp.
      Jun 29
  • Uber bаrt
    Decriminalizing illegal immigration will lose all the south for democrats. Beto could have won Texas except for the “migrant caravan” that started up just in the last few weeks before the election. Of course he would lose a lot of the vote over that.
    Jun 28 0
  • Expedia Lark71
    Drmocraps...i love you..please keep doing similar to these things till 2020...Easy for President Trump to stick label of socialist.
    Jun 28 0
  • Pear Therapeutics prez.trump
    People lack common sense. Just look at ppl on blind -- engineers with great TC but can't even fold their own clothes. They don't even step out of their cubicle and they claim they know how to run the world
    Jun 28 0
  • Apple magikarp16
    No
    Jun 28 0
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    They aren’t loosing their mind and most of them are no where near as progressive as they are positioning themselves.

    What’s happened imo is that tacit popular support for neoliberal centrism has been broken. Americans are polarized and so the politicians are trying to figure out what will work post Clintonism.
    Jun 29 2
    • Credit Karma Yayyyy
      OP
      I know when time comes they will not be as progressive as they are making them sound but what would happen when one of them wins nomination & goes against Donald Trump. At that time what are they gonna say? There will be videos of them supporting decriminalizing border crossing, free health care for Illegals.
      If they then say no we will stop Illegals when debating with Trump, it will just make Trump's life easy by saying what are you talking about!
      I think Bill DeBlasio or someone said if you Americans are not staying your dream it's not immigrats fault, it's your fault! How is this a way to get Americans to vote for them & how will they debate Trump with their such statements!
      Jun 29
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Wouldn’t Trump just do that anyway?
      Jun 29
  • Oracle fandantan
    “I know when time comes they will not be as progressive as they are making them sound...” sorry CK nothing personal about you, I know I have been replying to most your comments, but, haven’t ya’ll heard of the following strategy: “Shoot for the moon, even if you fail, you’ll land among the stars.”
    Try that. Enjoy.
    Jun 30 1
    • ViaSat / Eng slote
      But the moon and stars equates to high taxes, long lines for health care, open borders, economic stagnation, after birth abortion....?
      Jul 1
  • Oracle fandantan
    By the way was Marianne Williamson part of the dem debate?
    Jun 28 0