Are FANNG employees arrogant?

Seagate toti420
Feb 16 69 Comments

I’ve got a lot of connections on LinkedIn. Whenever people ask to connect with me, I mostly accept. Whenever I request to connect with people that don’t know me, they almost always accept, EXCEPT for people working for FAANG. If I direct message them, they don’t answer. Why? Suppose my motivation is only to get information about potential employment. What’s wrong with reaching out? Do FANNG employees really think they are so smart that others who reach out to them aren’t worthy of their time?
If people reached out to me, and many times they have, about potential employment, passing their resumes, salary info, I always help. It doesn’t hurt me in any way to help a fellow human! I was just like them many years ago fresh out of school, in need of a job, and really appreciative of anyone who helped me. Since I can’t get my info through that channel, I’ll post my questions here:

1. What’s day to day work like for an analytics data scientist, not core ML, at FAANG?
2. What’s TC for levels 4/5, or PhD+10 YOE?
3. How to best prepare for interviews?

TC ~ 142/25/20 ~ 187k PhD+10yoe.

I’m reasonably versed in MySQL+Python/Numpy/Pandas/SAS JMP. Taken plenty of ML courses through MOOCS. Would love to work for FB/G.

If you’re DS at FAANG, please chime in. Thank you!

EDIT: Lots of comments about the first part of my post, but so far no answers to my 3 questions. If someone could provide accurate answers, it’d be awesome! Thanks fellows!

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TOP 69 Comments
  • GitHub Gcyt22
    I’ve never connected or responded to requests from people I don’t know on LinkedIn, even when I was a student, especially when they don’t come with any message or context for the request. Stop doing this. It is annoying.
    Feb 16 6
    • Leanplum blings
      I rarely accept requests from randoms on LinkedIn. If it has a message, I'll respond if I have time. If it's about hiring, I'll respond if my team is actually hiring.

      This is not because I think "I'm better" than them or anything like it. I just think it devalues my network when it's littered with connections that aren't real. It's just my preference, to have a my "virtual" network reflect my real life network. I'm sure others have other preferences and will say that I'm missing out on expanding my network. That's fair, but my preference stands.
      Feb 16
    • Leanplum blings
      Plus, this is also how the LinkedIn PMs want their product to be used. The product tells you to not request connections from people you don't know in real life. That's what following is for.
      Feb 16
    • GitHub Gcyt22
      I mean it was annoying when I was a broke undergrad too, so if that makes me arrogant then it’s not a result of my employer, I’ve just always been that way. But as another poster mentioned, it’s also not how the platform is intended to be used - don’t send connection requests to people you don’t know. That is not what they are for. Go to a networking event, find a Slack for your specialty, look people up that have given talks about what you work on and email them. There are appropriate and inappropriate ways to achieve your goals and the one you have chosen is inappropriate. People are ignoring your connection requests because you are being rude by sending them.
      Feb 16
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      Sending a LinkedIn request is not rude by any stretch. Change your LinkedIn settings if you don’t want to receive requests, or better yet get off of it.
      Feb 16
    • Uber kPCK48
      How about you stop whining when people don't accept your requests. Nobody has any obligation to you.
      Feb 17
  • Facebook lachaim
    Don’t take it as an insult. A lot of faang people just ignore requests because they get a lot.
    Feb 16 1
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      Fair enough.
      Feb 16
  • New yUIJ81
    You just get so many requests while at fang. My volume dropped a ton when I left
    Feb 16 1
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      Hopefully it wasn’t those requests that drove you away! :)
      Feb 16
  • Anthem lyfte!
    I do understand your emotion, but expecting help from others is always considered a favor by the other party and not necessary that “they should” help. It’s an option.

    While you get frustrated and pissed at them for not responding to you, end of the day it’s your needs and they are not obligated to satisfy your feelings.

    Consider this, if some homeless guy is asking for money on the street, some people donate a dollar or two and most people ignore him. Is it considered fair on the homeless guy’s part to consider the people not giving him a dollar to be arrogant? I beg to disagree with the statement.

    P.S - I’m not comparing anyone in the example to the question, please don’t misunderstand my analogy
    Feb 16 6
    • Microsoft ddffghf
      Honestly I think it is fair to consider them arrogant.
      People who didn't money on luxury cars and alcohol, but can't donate to a homeless person for basic needs are human scum.
      Feb 16
    • Anthem lyfte!
      @micrsoft - I feel it’s relative, nobody is obliged to help nobody
      Feb 16
    • Microsoft ddffghf
      May not be legally obligated, but sure are morally obligated to make the world fair to everyone.
      Unless you don't complain ever about unfairness, ignoring homeless is a textbook definition of hypocrisy.
      Feb 16
    • Anthem lyfte!
      I don’t say I never Complain, but I when I retrospect I feel not to waste my energy in thinking about it. I could have done some things knowingly or unknowingly that could have not satisfied 10’s of people.. it doesn’t mean I’m arrogant, it’s a matter of priority at that moment. ✌🏻
      Feb 16
    • Uber kPCK48
      Microsoft, are you spending all of your time doing everything you can to make sure the world is fair and equitable?
      Feb 17
  • PayPal notindian
    Why would anyone connect with someone they don't know? That's makes no sense and defeats the purpose of LinkedIn - which is to understand who your connections are.

    And yes, former FANG.
    Feb 16 3
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      Why would anyone connect with people they already know. That makes no sense and defeats the purpose of LinkedIn - which is to make new connections.
      Feb 16
    • Google Woopsy
      That’s an interesting perspective! I never saw LinkedIn as a way to make new connections, but as a way to keep track of my connection.
      Basically replace the old “business card books”, and stay informed of where folks are moving.
      I think I met in person over 90% of my connexions
      Feb 16
    • Salesforce guavacado
      LinkedIn is primarily a social network to stay in contact with your colleagues and ex-colleagues after you've all shuffled around between companies. It allows endorsements to add credibility to your persona.

      It's also being used by recruiters to try to poach talent. Or by talent trying to contact recruiters for job offers.

      Normal people don't contact other random normal people with the intention of asking for referrals. The tool can be used for other things, but that's not what it's primarily used as.

      Message recruiters, not normies.
      Feb 16
  • Uber kPCK48
    OP, you make the assumption in your post that this is all because they "think they are so smart" and you jump on any evidence of that in the replies and ignore anything to the contrary. It's obvious you are only looking for confirmation.
    Feb 17 0
  • Amazon / Eng tylium
    What's the point of these random connections. What value do they add for you.
    Feb 16 7
    • Anthem lyfte!
      And sales person is doing his job in your example, it’s not helping, it’s just duty :)

      Do you see it as a help when you do a code review of your peers PR?
      Feb 16
    • Leanplum blings
      Why would I forward the resume of a random connection? For the referral bonus?
      I care more about my word than the referral bonus. If I recommend someone for a job, it's because I know this person's work and I have a belief that they'll be valuable to the organization. Not because I want to cash in $20k from a random resume.
      And if someone recommends to me an employee who ends up being shit, I will never trust that person's recommendations again.
      Feb 16
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      My example was rhetorical. That’s why I said admittedly the opposite is true too. That you may get a bad employee as well.
      Feb 16
    • Amazon / Eng tylium
      I think you are spending too much time doing a recruiters job. Focus on your own job (Im assuming you are eng but could be wrong) and naturally you will build a network of people who will refer you and vice versa. I never even go on LinkedIn unless I am looking for a job. Also some random person at google may not give you good advice. They might be low performers for example. Its better to connect with people you know in real life.
      Feb 16
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      Good point. Yes I’m an engineer, looking to get out of Disk Drive industry where the opportunity to grow is nonexistent and pay is mediocre at best.
      Feb 16
  • Leanplum blings
    Dude you're reading too much into people not responding. First, I question the assumption that FAANG people respond less. But hey, maybe it's true.
    Regardless the second assumption, that it is due to them being arrogant, is laughable. Way to project and generalize a group of 100k+ people.
    You expect them to respond because you respond, and are upset that they don't meet your expectations. That is flawed logic. There are many reasons why they wouldn't, and many of them have nothing to do with you, or me, or even them.
    Just chill and see if you get a response next time you try, rather than passing judgment so freely.
    Feb 16 6
    • Leanplum blings
      Ok, fair enough.
      Then the answer is "no," for reasons already explained extensively in the thread.
      Feb 16
    • Facebook whoyoube
      I agree with Leanplum, the way I read your ‘question’ was as if it was rhetorical. Maybe try asking simply ‘why?’ instead of adding what you did re; arrogance (which is pretty insulting). It’s clear you think folks from FAANG are arrogant for not responding. Perhaps that’s why you aren’t getting any answers from FAANG employees - especially for question number 3. Also may be worth being more specific in your question about interviews, no one is going to sit here telling you how to prep for a whole process of interviews.
      Feb 16
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      It’s not clear that I think they’re arrogant. I don’t know why you assume that. But from reading some of the responses, it’s clearer to me that at least some of them are. But that’s true of any company. Regardless, fundamentally nobody is obligated to help or reply to my requests. I’m just thinking here: if want to work for a certain company, how else can I reach out? Can’t just drive up to the company, right? So social media seemed like a first and a good approach. I’m merely wondering why people from FAANG, almost exclusively, never respond. As someone mentioned, perhaps they get so many requests that they have to ignore. But like I said, I have even directly messaged them. The decent thing to do is to at least reply and say they’re busy or something. Of course they have not obligation to respond. I acknowledge that. I’ve moved here from Midwest and haven’t yet quite gotten used to the Bay Area culture. I expected that if I asked for help I would get it and not get ignored or be asked “what’s in it for me.” That’s life here on the fast lane.
      Feb 16
    • Facebook whoyoube
      Decency is subjective, I guess ! Don’t assume that because you’d respond, others should. It’s a pretty naive way to think especially when someone doesn’t know you from Adam. I work at one of the companies you’re referring to - imagine the same people who send connection requests also follow up with a DM, we get hundreds/week to the point where it’s not worth sifting through messages/connection requests. So it’s not arrogance more than your message probably hasn’t been seen. If you’re interested in working for a FAANG company then apply on the company website or get referred (the latter being the easiest and fastest imo).
      Feb 16
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      Okay. I know two SWE at FB. I met with one of them onsite and asked twice to hook me up with a data scientist, never did. I know a second one (through my health club) that I have asked twice (and he works with the Analytics team) he never followed up. I’m not going to beg people. Getting so many requests I guess would make anyone think they’re the hot shit, especially younger folks who make up majority of FAANG workforce.
      Feb 16
  • Salesforce guavacado
    I swipe right on every girl on Tinder. I send them all the message "Heeeeeyyyyy gurl!"

    Why don't they ever respond? Are they all arrogant like I suspect?!?!
    Feb 16 3
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      No. They are not arrogant. Perhaps they fear being raped and strangled by a creep. Not sure if your analogy works here. Good try though.
      Feb 16
    • Google / Eng
      qEGt36

      Google Eng

      PRE
      Bloomberg
      qEGt36more
      Wow. The way SJW thinks. It's so predictable.
      Feb 16
    • Salesforce guavacado
      In the same train of thought, why would a random person stick their neck out and vouch for you? Especially if you can't get through the front door on your own merits, nor successfully reach a recruiter.

      You're a beggar who's upset they can't be a chooser. They owe you nothing, and you expect them to do something for you
      Feb 16
  • Google mYEn36
    I usually accept requests from people with same interests, but I mostly ignore requests from outside of North America.
    Feb 16 3
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      Okay. I’m across the bay. But given the home price differential between between Palo Alto and East Bay, I see why my requests get ignored.
      Feb 16
    • Leanplum blings
      Wtf
      Feb 16
    • Uber kPCK48
      That's why you can't get into FANG, OP, you don't live in North America, you live in the East Bay.
      Feb 17
  • PayPal Stilettos
    The irony of someone so arrogant that they expect others to drop everything for them, and calling them arrogant for having a life. Smh.
    Feb 17 0
  • I stopped accepting requests unless if they initiate some conversation through LinkedIn, I met the person before, or they're a 1st party recruiter of a company I'd be interested in working for.
    Feb 16 0
  • Amazon Nsgdbp
    I am in HR at Amazon and I get daily a lot of requests from people asking to recommend them for a role. Also a ton of new connections requests. I have added people who send requests to me most of the time but I can’t recommend everybody when I don’t know them at all. Also I can’t respond to everybody. Also people think I am a recruiter and ask me to check their profile and recommend amazon roles to them and then recommend them for those roles. Really!!! HR and are recruiting are totally different job roles. Some of these people I have responded to once before that I am in HR not in recruiting, but they send me the same copy paste messages again. It gets frustrating really. I have stopped responding now.
    Feb 16 0
  • What is FAANG?
    Feb 16 5
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      Oh it’s like the society of stone cutters...all the magical things that they do...
      Feb 16
    • Nokia / IT Murica
      A concept invented by people on Blind who happen to live in a particular geographical area which the rest of the country doesn't give a flying fuck about.
      Feb 16
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      In case you’re seriously asking: FAANG is an acronym that stands for Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, and Google. They pay quite well in the Bay Area. Just to give you an idea: I work in the tech industry (hardware) in the Bay Area with 10+ years of experience in product engineering. I also have a PhD and an MS in physics and math. I make half as much as someone with my background working for FAANG. I’m not a low performer. Most of my colleagues make about the same as me in my company. You can see why people want to join FAANG. It’s not a 10-15% bump in pay. It’s more like a 80-100% bump!
      Feb 16
    • Microsoft iaidgnwoa
      I suspect these days it's really only Facebook and Netflix that pays really well. Everyone else needs a competing offer otherwise the pay isn't that goo
      Feb 16
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      It’s relative. Google, Apple and Amazon still pay loads better than Seagate!
      Feb 16
  • Tableau Zero Cool
    After I got to ~300 connections, I stopped adding random people. So much noise. And you get absolutely nothing out of it
    Feb 16 3
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      What I usually get out of helping someone with their requests/questions cannot be measured by dollars or RSUs. It’s a happy feeling knowing that I helped a fellow human being.
      Feb 16
    • Tableau Zero Cool
      If you sent me a message and I got to see it through the noise, I would be glad to help.
      But you can probably understand that getting random requests from people you don't know or have anything in common multiple times a week gets you tired pretty fast. Then you just ignore.
      Feb 16
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      Yep. That’s understandable.
      Feb 16
  • Google Woopsy
    If people add me on linked in and they don’t include a note, I check if they worked in the same area and if we have anything in common to share, otherwise I ignore.

    If they add a note talking about my work, some open source project I contribute to, etc. then I accept.
    If they add a note that they are looking to expand their network, or looking for a job while not in my area at all, I ignore.

    I answer all direct message when they are related to my specific field of expertise and my projects.

    Don’t ask a HW engineer for a referral to work on JavaScript front end.
    Feb 16 2
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      Good. I like your response. I have directly messaged data scientists at FAANG asking specific questions about data science roles. No luck yet. Perhaps I’m putting these companies on a pedestal. Maybe I should just be content with my current position. And I’m for the most part, but for comp. Many of us in the HW industry are underpaid but move is not always easy!
      Feb 16
    • Google Woopsy
      I should add: it also depends on my current workload and/or what’s keeping me busy in my life.
      Also some days I may get multiple of such requests while sometimes I don’t get any for a few days.
      And sometimes I see a request and think I’ll handle it later but end up forgetting about it.

      So it is also a matter of luck for the person asking unfortunately
      Feb 16
  • Google / Eng
    qEGt36

    Google Eng

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    Bloomberg
    qEGt36more
    Female engineer?
    Feb 16 2
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      No, fortunately?/unfortunately? Not sure how to respond. Is this like one of those trick questions that Google asks potential candidates that’s so predictive of their future performance? I’m sorry, I fail to see the relevance of your question. But no, I’m a man. If you’re hinting that connection requests by females get more acceptance, I’d probably believe it. But I’ve sent requests to both female and male engineers. No response!
      Feb 16
    • Microsoft ddffghf
      If it was a female, her connection requests would have long been accepted
      Feb 16
  • Amazon ggukofdxby
    How about Amazon? Hit me up
    Feb 16 1
    • Seagate toti420
      OP
      Thanks. Care to share TC for a DS role at Amazon for someone with my background assuming above average interview feedback?
      Feb 16
  • Bloomberg / Eng yuyu
    Yes but not for the reasons you describe
    Feb 16 0
  • Google / Eng Neopets😍
    Lmfao. Damn you’re cool huh
    Feb 16 0

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