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Are Indians the modern slaves in the US

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Nov 27

Do you consider Indians to be the modern slaves in the US (or at least volunteering to be Slaves) ?

Does the following strategy sound realistic?

Lure Indians to the US in massive numbers on H1B, don’t bother adding country cap there.

Make them do all the work for which we don’t have the labor/talent.

Don’t ever give them a green card , point them to the arcane country cap rule, if they complain. Suspend h1b premium processing so that they are forced to stay in their current job. Lack of green card helps to keep them stressed. Further, cancel the H4 EAD to take away their spouses’ independence.

Take their tax money and feed that to the red heads. Let the red heads discriminate and blame them for stealing their jobs.

They don’t vote so who cares. Their own country is a shit hole packed with people, so they won’t ever go back no matter what we do to them. 😈


It does sound unfair that the US government sucks taxes from high earning Indian immigrants for decades and throws them away whenever it wants.

While it keeps illegals, brings a ton of people other countries or via chain migration that don’t bring much value and enjoy benefits that comes from above the immigrants’ tax money.

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  • Microsoft elpwcnxb
    This is just laughable compared to the horrendous conditions workers from Latin America endure to come here and work in the fields.
    Nov 2711
    • Microsoft elpwcnxb
      Plenty come legally.
      Nov 27
    • Reddit Snoopysnoo
      Fuck off. Many of them are legal too.
      Nov 27
    • Google gnMC26
      you gots to factor in taxes the respective professions are generating. this is a capitalist country with a socialist immigration system.
      Nov 27
    • Microsoft elpwcnxb
      Please explain what a socialist immigration system is.

      Socialism means the means of productions are owned by the workers themselves.
      Nov 28
    • Google gnMC26
      the current "socialist" system favors the immigrants over the country (america). the means of producing new GC-holders are owned by existing GC-holders (via chain immigration).

      a more "capitalist" immigration system would favor the country over the immigrants. the means of production would be up for grabs. folks willing to work hard so they pay more taxes, be responsible and unlikely to become a public charge, and embed meaningful roots in the US (schools, houses, country club memberships, etc).

      note that a functioning asylum program is also important. however, it needs to have a separate pool. the quota math is too hard if you clump all kinds of new-mericans into a single bucket.
      Nov 28
    • Microsoft elpwcnxb
      Lol your definition has literally no connection to socialism. Immigration is not controlled by immigrants. GTFO with this infowars bullshit.
      Nov 28
    • Google gnMC26
      you are obviously unaware of chain immigration. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chain+immigration
      Nov 28
    • Facebook Mattfact
      @elpwcnxb you have no idea about chain migration. 67% of the people immigrate to the US via chain migration.

      Only 13% of the immigration is employment based. All the international cab drivers, shop owners, asian masseuse, etc. here you see have come here via chain migration. They are highly unskilled, barely pay any tax, and take away unskilled american jobs. They add absolutely no value to this country, while hard working, high skilled Indians wait forever for green card. If it goes on like this US will lose its position as the world leader.
      Nov 28
    • Reddit Snoopysnoo
      @mattfact I agree with that, but it definitely doesn’t make Indians slaves
      Nov 28
    • Facebook Mattfact
      Well yeah slave is probably too much, “exploited” should be a better fit
      Nov 28
  • Salesforce meiwhdyev
    Let's not throw around the word "slave" so casually
    Nov 270
  • New Pppoop
    No one is forcing you to come. And if you really want to stay find a non Indian wife but most of you are too racist to marry outside your tribe.
    The fact is the white trash people are by far less racist that most of you.
    Nov 270
  • Uber truckyeah
    TC?
    Nov 270
  • Microsoft Username ·
    Well, it is quite luxurious slavery indeed, given how many Indian VPs and SVPs we have (Satya, Sundar, countless others). On the other hand some others are calling people like you and me wage slaves and I can see their point.
    Nov 270
  • Amazon QrmM73
    Has your employer brought you here out of your will?
    Is your employer obstructing your move back to your home country?
    Is your employer violating your human rights?

    If the answer to any of these questions is no, then there is no need to raise the slave reference.

    Grow up!
    Nov 270
  • Capital One tamudev
    Bull shit. They get out of their crap hole and earn citizenship after a number of years and a test. They can still buy houses and enjoy the fruits of their labor as well as American life.

    However, they arent citizens so they shouldn’t get a vote. Talk about voter fraud.

    What if China decided to do this? They fund business to take on employees who will vote in their favor and turn elections.

    You people are headed for a one world government faster than two bunnies can make three.

    We can’t expect someone who lives in India for 20+ years, has family there, friends there, and various financial or emotional investments at stake to do what is best for our country.... when it comes down to India vs America. Unless it’s a one world gov and all your precious salary goes to feed the people illegitimately categorizes as injured or disabled just because they don’t want to work. (Not knocking real disabilities here)

    Want to be an American? Work for it, someone in our family tree had to at some point. Be the hero and help your lineage. And if their happy with being poor, afterwards they can get on welfare like everyone else out there. For now at least
    Nov 275
    • Amazon I3JQHz
      This is another disgusting lie told by white Americans.

      The fact is, before 1925, as long as you were white without serious disease, you showed up at Ellis Island for less than a day, you became an American. The admission rate was higher than 99%. Between 1925 and 1965, it became harder for people from south and east Europe, but still as easy for northwest Europeans.

      Now tell me what day did your ancestor spend a day or less to take the medical exam?
      Nov 27
    • Capital One AggieDev
      Well they sure as hell didn’t have a fortune 100+ company paying their way to America. They worked in a different way, through sacrifice and most had to start to scratch.

      White Americans... I’d get off that crap. Your either a brother or you aren’t... asshole.
      Nov 27
    • Before 1925 we were a country that needed anyone who could swing a pick axe or hammer a nail. Didn’t care if their IQ was 80. We simply needed labor to keep the machine running.

      Those days are long LONG gone my friend.
      Nov 27
    • Amazon I3JQHz
      I agree those days are long gone. But I don’t want to hear anyone lying about “everyone went though this to get to America”. It is insulting to immigrants today.
      Nov 27
    • No immigration has ever been easy. Period. I speak conversational German, am white, and I’d be treated like a 3rd class citizen if I showed up in Switzerland to get permanent residence. It’ll take 12 years at least. Discrimination...prejudice...all common in all immigration in every country. Even the first generation Cubans hated the second generation Cubans in the US.

      All of this is typical in group vs out group dynamics. However, look at the bright side. No immigrant skilled trade wave has ever been granted such a high quality of life as tech has awarded everyone that shows up on our shores. There is some solidarity there.
      Nov 27
  • Google / EngBluths
    Do you get whipped on days you don’t produce work to your master’s liking? Have you tried running away, got caught and were hanged at the public square as a lesson to other Indians?

    If no, just stfu and get back to work.
    Nov 270
  • Apple procto
    The prevailing wage for H1b in tech is 130,853. That’s not slavery. We’re reaching peak entitlement. Let’s end the program now and let people find easier, higher paying jobs in Bangalore.
    Nov 274
    • Facebook Sensible0
      OP
      Why do people always think that employers are doing a favor to employees by paying them their salary.

      Companies aren’t fool, they won’t pay you x if you don’t produce 1.5x worth of value.

      I bet US will see at least some kind of trouble if all the Indians left overnight. So please stop being condescending about the salary.
      Nov 27
    • Amazon I3JQHz
      This is called gangster mentality. The gangsters always claim they are doing a favor no matter whether they are the buyer or the seller. When China sell product to the US at low price, Trump and Pence claim they are ripping US off and stealing US jobs. When Chinese students who are more qualified than their American counterparts pay full tuition to attend US universities, Pence said it is America doing China a favor by educating their kids.

      You see that’s how gangsters think. No matter if you are buying or selling, they think they are showing mercy and doing you a favor (by not killing you and take your money or goods).
      Nov 27
    • Facebook Sensible0
      OP
      Can’t agree more.
      Nov 27
    • Apple procto
      Let’s protect Indians from the gangsters. No more H1b visas. Problem solved.
      Nov 27
  • You’ll likely get zero sympathy since most of your TC is 250k+ and regular Americans pull 60k to feed a family of 4.

    Sounds more like golden hand cuffs than slavery.
    Nov 270
  • Amazon I3JQHz
    It is slavery. Although Indians were not forced to come here, they were cheated and scammed to come here.

    They were lured here by the fake description of the land of immigrants from US government propaganda programs like VOA, and the false promise of green card from recruiters, immigration lawyers and USCIS visa bulletin. Most of them didn’t realize they were scammed until they are here. By the time they realized, many of them, especially those with kids, are already deeply rooted in America and difficult to move out of slavery.

    If VOA starts admitting half of Americans are racist against Indians in Hindi and Tamil, and if US companies, lawyers and USCIS can tell potential hires the fact that they will never get a green card and may be kick out of America at any time. I would consider this a consensual choice, not slavery.
    Nov 274
    • Google / EngBluths
      We live in the age of internet. All of the immigration procedure and times are very clearly documented on US government websites. Are you saying Indians are so dumb that they didn’t do such basic research?
      Nov 27
    • Amazon I3JQHz
      USCIS official website says 10 year wait while the fact is 50+ year wait. That’s why I mentioned USCIS’s part in the scheme.
      Nov 27
    • New / Product
      olinbrat

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      olinbratmore
      Stop using the word slavery please:) You are not beaten, whipped, killed or prevented from leaving.. that is Slavery or what the British did in India is slavery..it’s deceit it’s many things but not slavery.ok off my soapbox and off to get a life.
      Nov 27
    • Amazon I3JQHz
      Yeah Americans became more humane slave owners. Should I give you a trophy for that?
      Nov 27
  • Deloitte / Consultant
    ayyylmao

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    ayyylmaomore
    Newsflash: if you think conditions for Indian h1bs are tantamount to slavery, YOU CAN STAY IN INDIA.
    Nov 272
    • Facebook Sensible0
      OP
      Man this Deloitte dude is everywhere. 😂
      Nov 27
    • Amazon Jm22
      Somebody give him a gold medal for bashing immigrants and becoming a US citizen
      Nov 30
  • DigitalOcean HomeAlone
    Slaves with million dollar houses with Tesla in driveway. Indians on H1B need to get their heads checked if they are comparing themselves to slaves.

    You stood in line at U.S. embassy for "temporary", "non-immigrant" work visa. Please don't relate temporary to slavery.
    Nov 270
  • Microsoft maverickk
    Ah, the daily Indian hate thread is here everyone ! Using the word "slave" is kind of disrespectful btw.
    🤦🏻‍♂️
    Nov 270
  • Amazon thealpha
    Their status is far better than minimum wage citizens.
    Nov 270
  • Apple mkpoy
    Slaves being paid on the order of 100-500k on avg? Slaves getting 5-30x what they’d make had they not come? Slaves who have willingly come and willingly stay? Interesting hypothesis.
    Nov 271
    • New / Product
      olinbrat

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      olinbratmore
      I wish people stopped using the word slave to describe this situation. It’s loaded and toxic and it takes attention away from the fact the the immigration system is messed up. Slavery is a whole different scale of evil.
      Nov 27
  • New monomo
    India is not a shithole.
    Nov 306
    • New Pppoop
      Crap hole?
      Nov 30
    • New monomo
      Your mouth is.
      Nov 30
    • New Pppoop
      Because i was at your momma’s house yesterday
      Nov 30
    • New monomo
      Yes you go everywhere, and fill up your mouth with crap
      Nov 30
    • Google gnMC26
      what a revitting conversation you guys! what's your combined TC like? 600K? great job obtaining those stem degrees.
      Nov 30
    • New Pppoop
      I am white trash so I make 23,500 a year.
      Nov 30
  • Microsoft / ProductTacoBoss
    It is slavery but don't expect others to have empathy. A few non Indians do and I'm appreciative.

    At the end of the day the worst that can happen is we lose our job and go back to India. It's fine work for MAGA or FANG or other tech companies there.

    In the meantime pursue financial independence here. Stay positive..
    Nov 270
  • Microsoft twkh55
    Assuming Indians in the tech sector, yes they are slaves/servants brought here to work in sub human conditions of clean offices and free drinks and food and slaving away getting a substance wage in the top 3% of the rest of the population.
    https://www.google.com/m?q=slave
    Nov 270
  • Google / Data
    345gaba2

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    345gaba2more
    Lol no. You want to see what slavery looks like? Check out construction sites in Singapore and the middle East.
    Nov 271
    • New Pppoop
      Yea I was a supervisor there. I had a whip on me
      Nov 27
  • Google );$gd$
    Indentured servants
    Nov 270
  • Facebook Mattfact
    High skilled Indians earn 500k on average.One must produce $1 million worth of value to get paid that much, companies ain’t no fool.

    500k means 170k of tax money sucked by US government each year, why aren’t they still getting green card even after a decade. Their tax money is enjoyed by the whole country but them. Then the low wage citizens blame them for stealing their jobs, while in reality they are incompetent to get those jobs . That sucks.

    If I was an Indian I would have shown my middle finger to the US govt and left for some country that has a fair immigration system.

    As someone mentioned above the US seems to be a capitalist country with socialist immigration, which sounds messed up
    Nov 283
    • New Pppoop
      Middle finger and go to India where I can make 100 times less and have my daughters rapped . No thank you!
      Nov 28
    • Facebook Mattfact
      Lol what?
      Nov 28
    • Microsoft gfba68
      Your average dev doesn't make anywhere close to $500k per year, highly skilled or not. And most aren't highly skilled. Get your head out of your ass.
      Nov 28
  • Microsoft NotADick
    Pfffttt is OP for real? Gtfo and go pick some vegetables before you whine about your white collar slavery bullshit you dumb ignorant buffoon. Or leave and go home to your country where you’re not a “slave”, because slaves can just leave whenever they want right?
    Nov 270
  • Gilead Sciences 9inchs
    Indians can also do Kama sutra better than anyone else...... Folks Date them
    Nov 270
  • Microsoft elpwcnxb
    If I was Indian I would work in Australia, Canada, UK, Germany, Netherlands, or Sweden. The h1b situation is unfortunate and you shouldn't subject yourself to such bullshit, but it's no where near slavery.
    Nov 281
    • Symantec / Eng0x80007005
      The only reason they still prefer usa is because of the dollar value and the type of work. All those other countries are great for other industries, but cutting edge tech wise usa still is the trump.
      Nov 28
  • Microsoft Blkman
    U don’t understand the concept of slavery if u think Indians are modern day slaves. Slaves didn’t have a choice. End of story. QED.
    Nov 270
  • Twitter hodlr
    TIL the CEO of Google, Microsoft, and PepsiCo are all slaves. 🤦🏻‍♂️
    Nov 270
  • Intel excuseno
    No. They had a choice. Slaves by definition dont have a choice
    Nov 270
  • New Egypt80
    No. Slaves are owned and therefore have no freedom. The closest system to slave work is the kafala sys in the middle east.
    Which makes me wonder why don't Indians complain about working conditions in the gulf countries, where this system exists, yet complain about the US.
    The kafala system is still not slavery because the workers are paid.
    Go ask an African American what slavery really is, or an Irish American. Then you'll know.
    Bonded labor is not the same as slavery and h1-b is not even bonded labor.
    Nov 293
    • Symantec / Eng0x80007005
      So I visited dubai, and went to the so called cleanest beach in the world, and it was clean, i tell u, and I saw why, every 10 feet was a guy with a rake in an uniform picking up trash for Miles and all of them were indian.
      Nov 29
    • New / Product
      olinbrat

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      olinbratmore
      What makes you think indians don’t complain about it?? the indian government has a separate group to help them. They are not on blind though. If we are talking about people experiencing slavery in the past, indians have been traded as slaves for a long time. Hell, Hindu Kush mountains = Valley of death for Hindus, who were sent as slaves to the Middle East, most likely in the millions.
      Nov 29
    • New Egypt80
      There is dignity in labour. I have respect for Indians as they are the globe's employees... That's kind of their thing.
      If so many are employed so widely there will be some who are abused and some who aren't.
      This is the same for other nationalities. Some people are underemployed, underpaid, exploited etc. Especially in very capitalistic societies.
      Is there a deliberate conspiracy to punish Indians who seek employment outside? I don't think so.
      I just don't agree that being in exploited employment, when you have the power and ability to leave, equates to slavery.
      Especially not with respect to the Indian techies experience in the US.
      From a global perspective, Indians in the US are in a very privileged position compared to Indians outside the US.
      Nov 30
  • New / Product
    olinbrat

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    olinbratmore
    I wish indians would stop using the word slave because it has such toxic and ugly past in the us. The more appropriate word would be indentured servants or being treated like second class immigrants. Whether you like Indians or not, it’s toxic for any human being that follows the law, to see others that break the law get rewarded, while you are being punished for following the law. There is discrimination in the immigration process and it’s so haphazard, human beings cannot plan their lives. It would be much kinder if the us government to just stop all immigration. It’s like a bad marriage really and the longer you stay in the US, the tougher it is to return to your home country.
    Nov 272
    • Google kids
      OP ain't Indian.
      Nov 27
    • Google gnMC26
      excuje plz, we'r all indians here... no one else cares enuf about this to post
      Nov 27
  • Google gnMC26
    since i'm being taxed without representation, i consider it charity. effectively paying 1/3rd of income as charity. feels good man.
    Nov 271
    • Microsoft twkh55
      Why don't you throw some tea over a ship then
      Nov 27
  • Amazon / EngSam Walton
    They make good money, nothing slavery about it. If you want to look at slavery look at the undocumented Mexican doing minimum wage jobs with no hope for GC.
    Nov 270
  • Amazon Jm22
    Beautifully written. Very well articulated.
    Nov 300
  • New / Biz Dev
    cable

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    cablemore
    Not slaves but misused definitely. But they also misuse the system fearlessly.
    Nov 290
  • Google / EngrRPD43
    Prisoners are modern slaves in the US
    Nov 270
  • Symantec / Eng0x80007005
    I agree with op. Especially the 'voluntering' part
    Nov 270
  • Microsoft gfba68
    LOL no
    Nov 270

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