Are there any female devs on your team and if so, do you see them as the diversity hire?

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Jan 25 34 Comments

Real talk, do you think that the hiring bar was lowered or adjusted for the female developers you work with?

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  • Jet.com De41zu3
    I think, by and large, the female devs I work with have had to be better than their male counterparts to get this far: in school, early careers, etc. Level-for-level, I think I'd trust them as much or more.
    I have the impression this is true of my product managers as well.
    Jan 25 0
  • Amazon Stdu11
    Real talk. Female devs in my team are highly driven and competitive. But they are seasoned amazonians.
    Jan 25 1
    • Axon
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      One seasoned Amazonian male developer said all the female engineers he had worked with were subpar and he believed that’s true for all female engineers. I de-friended him.
      Mar 4
  • Homeaway ppMg64
    Some of my best Engineers happen to be female. No, the bar was not lowered from them. And on average, atleast on my team, they have held their own against other engineers and at time exceeded others.
    Jan 25 0
  • Intuit fjrX01
    I have found it far more likely to work with mediocre white men than any other demographic. 🤷🏻‍♀️ TC: 295
    Jan 25 2
    • Specifically, white men.

      Stay strong, don't let the patriarchy hold you back.
      Jan 25
    • Amazon / Eng GHskann
      lol racist
      Jan 26
  • Amazon BlueAvian
    Female engineers on the teams within my local (product) org are solidly bar-raising. I've seen "token diversity hires" elsewhere but not at Amazon so far.
    Jan 25 1
    • Google tuyyu
      That's because hiring bar at Amazon is non existent.

      So, diversity hires can't lower the bar which doesn't exist in the first place.
      Jan 25
  • Amazon / Eng GHskann
    I’ve seen more good hires than bad lowered bar hires. But the ratio doesn’t matter much, since everyone focuses on the bad cases, as they taint perception of all cases.

    Women are now looked at with a justified suspicion of lowered bar hiring, and the blame is on terrible sexist diversity hiring practices.
    Jan 25 9
    • Microsoft ЯR
      Second this. These clumsy attempts to bring diversity just made me numb to all sort of women-oriented events. I sometimes get comments that I've got through interview because I'm a female, but no one throws that comment to all my failed interviews.

      Not to mention all these women-oriented events. I was looking for some sort of fitness meetups at my company, and one of a few I found was yoga in park with a note that it's women only. I can hardly imagine if a similar men-only group would exist for longer than a week or so.
      Jan 25
    • Google Captain 🌏
      😂😂😂😂😂😂
      Jan 25
    • Microsoft ЯR
      @Captain, you look familiar 🙂
      Jan 25
    • Google Captain 🌏
      @Microsoft did you miss me?
      Jan 25
    • Microsoft ЯR
      To the moon and back, as always.
      Jan 25
    • Google Captain 🌏
      Beware, else you'll fall in love with me.
      Jan 25
    • Microsoft ЯR
      Your warning came too late
      Jan 25
    • Google Captain 🌏
      Ahhh no worries.
      You're not the first one, your number in the queue is 112.
      Jan 25
    • Microsoft ЯR
      Aw, you're so romantic today. Like never before.
      Jan 25
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    I have yet to work with a competent female engineer.
    Jan 25 3
    • Pinterest pinhead
      Same experience at MSFT, but at MSFT competence is lower across the board in my experience. :)
      Jan 25
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      Haha, yup. Plenty of incompetent male engineers. Some would say I’m one, too.

      I did have a chance to work with amazing female PMs. They were so good at their job that we collectively worshipped the ground they walked on.
      Jan 25
    • Pinterest pinhead
      +1 on great PMs. Some true rockstars who were a joy to work with. Took ownership of everything and made an effort to understand technical limitations.
      Jan 26
  • New / Eng 👑kong
    Women engineers are super smart. Dont keep their brains in their pants, so super focused too.
    Jan 25 0
  • TripAdvisor owlwise
    I've generally found females in STEM to be smarter than the males in STEM.
    Jan 25 0
  • Tableau Ydobon
    I've had multiple women working for me and with me at Tableau. All of them have been in the top tier of people I've worked with over the years.
    Jan 25 0
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    • Pinterest pinhead
      The implication is not that men are better, but that the bar is lowered, admitting people who wouldn’t have made it if not for their diverse status.

      The unlowered bar can admit bad hires but an even lower bar admits bad hires at a higher rate, with perhaps an even lower floor of competence.

      The discussion is around, where do people feel “diverse hires” landed relative to the “non-diverse bar”. And maybe they would have been hired anyway and were just incompetent, but there’s no way of knowing.

      People will just confirm their bias on the issue with anecdotes that support their belief. Nobody is going to be persuaded to change their mind as a result of this thread.
      Jan 26
  • Tesla / Eng 🐉⛈
    Don't feel that way. They are pretty smart, at least on my team.
    Jan 25 0
  • Vertivco / Eng
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    Been pretty incredible. Haven't encountered any faked skill from any. Legendary at their craft.
    Jan 25 0
  • Spotify KXAo87
    Same question but for males
    Jan 25 0
  • New / Eng iRead
    Women devs in my team are definitely at par with the men.
    Jan 25 0
  • SAP / Eng
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    I was hoping for that so I could get in ( as a female dev ) but nope ! Sometimes I feel I can get to the interview easier but the internet questions are as hard. Just personal opinion.

    Once I got in a job, I usually have to work hard to prove that I am equally good. In some cases, my opinion is not taken as seriously as other male counterparts. But if I ask for help, I am more likely to get it !

    YOE 10+
    TC : don’t want to share.
    Jan 25 0
  • Twilio szxcvmqt
    From experience, the average female dev is much better than the average male dev since there's more shitty male devs to run into.
    Feb 13 0
  • Microsoft Arc345
    I feel the bar is the same and that there's no difference between their performance vs a male engineer.
    Feb 6 0