Article 370 scrapped! Ladakh now a Union territory!

Microsoft / Eng morninstar
Aug 4 426 Comments

Say what you will. These guys did it. It carries even more significance now that America is pulling out of Afghanistan and Pakistan will be looking to divert the battle hardened Talbanis towards Kashmir.

This is not an India issue, it's the hottest issue on the face of the planet right now!

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  • Amazon tavr
    This is evil. It's colonialism and ethic cleansing. The people who support this are evil people.

    None of them have any right to complain about India being colonized by the British if they are going to go and steal land from the native Kashmiris.
    Aug 4 69
    • Facebook / Eng Backbncher
      ‘Kashmir has, is and always will be indian’ - Mota Bhai, 5 August 2019
      Aug 6
    • Amazon / Mgmt N8rh4a
      Both India and Pakistan raised objections to the UNSC Resolution 47.

      When the official language contains words like “should” then they are recommendations and not imperatives, therefore not binding to any party.

      Ishome, go home, you are drunk. Perhaps posting in Pakistani online India-hate groups main help you get some solace.
      Aug 6
    • Microsoft / Mgmt
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      The kind of fire it has placed under Pakistani dogs due to this is evidence enough that removing this special privilege is the right thing to do.
      Aug 6
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      Aw so hateful. Are you a vegetarian 🤣
      Aug 6
    • Amazon mzyQ25
      I dont have a prob with revoking 370 but the way it is done without consent. What I dont understand is why are all non kashmiri indians act as though the kashmiri lands is theirs and its now reclaimed. Kashmir belongs to kashmiris just like how bihar belongs to biharis. Its the people there that need to decide how they want to relate to india. Forcing it on them is colonial. And no, am not justfying the assault on kashmiri pandits. That was majoratarian thuggery too.
      Aug 19
  • Facebook wwwq
    Hats off to leadership. Redefined expectations.
    Aug 4 64
    • Amazon ishome
      It's Apartheid in any case. Building walled settlements and creating two classes of citizens. Plus 370 repeal is just so you can transfer in non natives.
      Aug 5
    • SAP bilit
      Shifting goalpost. I SPECIFICALLY asked you about 'non natives'. The article you quoted talks only about Pandits, who are among the original natives of Kashmir. Please explain who are the 'non natives' you referred to above. I'll wait.
      Aug 6
    • Amazon ishome
      It's Apartheid plain and simple. Creating walled settlements that are only open to Hindus and not the natives. Straight up Apartheid.

      I notice that my thread that simply links to a Wikipedia article discussing the use of rape as a weapon by the Indianb army in Kashmir keeps getting flagged.

      What India is doing in Kashmir is simply criminal and Indians here are so depraved that they flag discussion of the atrocity rather than condemn it.
      Aug 6
    • SAP bilit
      So you couldn't explain who the 'non natives' are. The Hindus here are not just ANY Hindus, they are SPECIFICALLY Hindu Pandits who are being talked about here. If this SIMPLE distinction is so hard for you to follow, either you don't understand religious denominations or are being wilfully obtuse. Either way, please understand the point being discussed before challenging others. Case closed.
      Aug 6
    • Amazon ishome
      370 authorizes the the transfer of non native populations to Kashmiri.

      Pandits were already able to go without it. The only effect of 370 is to allow Indians who are neither Pandits nor Kashmiris to occupy Kashmir.
      Aug 6
  • Long live Narendra Modi
    Aug 4 7
    • Microsoft seltags
      Where is the dislike button
      Aug 5
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    • Facebook / Other
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      Damn, these very fcuktards oppose the hate monger Trump? No principles - want to oppress when they can, and be protected when they can't.
      Aug 5
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      Don't forget Amit Shah! Long live Amit Anilchandra Shah as well.
      Aug 5
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      Idiots begging for religious and ethnic strife ...
      Aug 5
  • Amazon tellme2
    Historic moment. Kashmir and India will prosper now.
    Aug 4 21
    • Amazon tavr
      The whole purpose of this change is to facilitate the transfer of a settler population from Central India to Kashmir.
      Aug 5
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    • Amazon tavr
      No idea what that means but I'm pretty sure it's likely another insult since you have nothing of value to add to the discussion.
      Aug 5
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    • Amazon tavr
      ^ all sputter, no content
      Aug 5
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    • Amazon tavr
      ^ all sputter, no content
      Aug 5
    • SAP bilit
      ^^ tavr, even agreeing to the initial part of your assertion for a second, how is this 'ethnic cleansing'? No one is being murdered or killed, so how is a 'cleansing' happening?
      Aug 5
    • Facebook / Eng aorn
      This is how China colonized/colonizing Tibet, Xinjiang etc.. Flood the cities with Han Chinese and let the natives become a minority in 30-50 years.

      India is following a similar path. Allow J&K to be flooded with Indians from Central and Southern India that have nothing to do with J&K and all of a sudden, Kashmiris are minority in their own land. Oldest trick in the book.
      Aug 5
    • Microsoft / Eng morninstar
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      The important questions here being, how can you colonize a territory which has already been acceded to the union of India? The document of accession was signed in 1947, but article 370 came in existence in 1949. Also, people from Kashmir moving between other states, getting reservations and calling themselves minorities is fine, but others coming to J&K, that's suddenly taboo?
      Aug 5
    • Amazon ishome
      Did it ever really accede or is that just a disputed claim? I thought that required a referendum that was never held.
      Aug 5
  • Amazon Tryin2Help
    Well done govt of India. People who are terming it as evil or bad, please provide your arguments. Now j&k will prosper and will become a global tourist hub which it deserves to be. A lot of economic benefits by investments from outside and poor people will get reservations in education and jobs.
    Aug 5 16
    • Microsoft msabc
      no dude you are not. also, doesn't matter. By your own logic. You are destroying the culture ... By your own logic. you being here is crime against humanity... Bugger off troll.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon tavr
      Why don't you ask the Kashmiris if they want to be a regular state, instead of forcing Apartheid on them?
      Aug 5
    • VMware pochinski
      Do you also question why US does not allow people of California to form a separate country? Does US get to decide what is good for Californians? Is that some cleansing as well?
      Aug 5
    • Facebook / Eng aorn
      Tavr, don't bother. Most Indians don't realize the racism and fascism they support in their heart inside India but then cry about how racist America is.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon ishome
      Hold a vote in CA and Kashmir. Let's see the results.
      Aug 5
  • Amazon tellme2
    Well done Government of India. Kashmir solution has begun. Hats off to the way they implemented it, made sure tourists are safe and no violence happens.
    Aug 4 4
    • Microsoft / Eng morninstar
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      Touche
      Aug 5
    • Microsoft msabc
      Let's see how this evolves over the next few years. Really would like to see J&K like any other Indian state. Hope peace would come.

      And we reduce our defense spending and focus more on economy.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon TRuc81
      Oh boy “Kashmir solution” I’ve heard something similar before...
      Aug 5
    • Microsoft / Eng morninstar
      OP
      And now you'll see it in action when you can visit the state without the fear of being gunned down by a terrorist, corruption being drastically reduced, the youth actually contributing to the development of the economy rather than pelting stones, the state being ruled by a constitution rather than the clerics of a particular religion, equal rights for women and more importantly fundamental rights being exercised which was surprisingly missing from the so called "Kashmir constitution"
      Aug 5
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    I have been to Kashmir and I found article 370 was not helping anyone. Kashmiri people are living in a different world and mindset. With 370 repealed, there will be flow of ideas and industries into the valley. Also Jammu and Ladakh will get a chance to come out of the shadow of Kashmir issues.
    Today morning I got up and saw article 370 repealed, and I would say well done BJP. This is a sign of brave and futuristic govt.
    Aug 5 6
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      It's people who bring Ideas and industries. And what's wrong with Indians from other parts entering into Kashmir for business and settlement ! Kashmiris do study in IITs NITs , IIMs , and work in Delhi, Bangalore and other Indians cities.

      There won't be any referendum as Kashmir is integral part of India. Kashmiris will still get to form their state govt with limited powers, similar to Delhi.

      The problem was Indian constitution was not completely applicable in Kashmir because of 370. Now with Indian govt coming up with laws and reforms to develop India as a whole , Kashmir will also get the benefits.

      Bifurcation/trifurcation of Kashmir would not have been possible without removing 370 for the same reason stated above.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon ishome
      It's just an Indian claim that Kashmir is integral to India. Kashmiris overwhelmingly disagree. They see Indians as foreign invaders.

      Article 370 was required by a UN Security Council resolution which required a local administration until such time as the referendum could be held.

      So the "ideas" moving in turned out to be people, who I gather will be living in walled off, armed settlements that existing Kashmiris will not be able to enter, and basically at war with the natives. That sounds a lot like the new idea is apartheid.
      Aug 5
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      Check kashmir's GDSP and compare with India's other states. Also check how much money the center pays to Kashmir every year. Check the education, healthcare facilities on Kashmir and compare with other states. Check the standard of living of kashmiris and compare with rest of india.

      After you do all these, tell me how article 370 was helping kashmiris.

      And since we are having these discussions , why don't you introduce yourself too. I am from India was not a BJP supporter ( until now ). I am a Hindu and believe in all religeons.
      Aug 5
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      About your claims on 370 required by UN security council, where did you get that information from?
      Wikipedia doesn't have any mention on UN involvement. Instead it says 370 was meant to be temporary but the J&K govt did not abrogate 370 and hence was deemed permanent.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_370_of_the_Constitution_of_India
      Aug 5
    • Amazon ishome
      The UN Security Council resolution on Kashmir required India to set up a local administration in Kashmir, and then when Pakistan withdrew "tribesmen not usually present" from their area there was to be a referendum to decide the final status of Kashmir.

      Pakistan never withdrew its "tribesmen" and so India has used that as an excuse not to hold the referendum.

      It's not clear to me why India believes it can unilaterally change the status of Kashmir without that referendum. Even if Pakistan has not lived up to its obligations that's not relevant, as the Kashmiris have an inherent, inalienable human right to self determination and they certainly oppose Kashmir being part of India. Neither India nor Pakistan can decide on behalf of the Kashmiris.

      So this seems like an illegal attempt to transfer the conquerors population into an occupied territory.
      Aug 5
  • Microsoft / Eng dFfl86
    It’s funny how anarchists with no vision for recovery or regard for the mess Kashmiris live in daily, oppose this integration with democratic and progressive India.

    Imagine the next Silicon Valley in Kashmir as an eventual result of this integration. Imagine the prosperity, opportunities and independence it will bring to Kashmiris. Indians are proud of Kashmir, it’s people, it’s culture and its diversity.

    This is a tremendous move to have our brothers and sisters from Kashmir united with the rest of the country by overcoming unnecessarily politicized boundaries.

    Hope the positive minded folks prevail and aimless anarchists loose relevance over time. Welcome home J&K!! 🤗
    Aug 5 3
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      Agreed. Too far on the silicon valley though. 😂
      Aug 5
    • Microsoft / Eng dFfl86
      *north star vision for Kashmir 😊
      Aug 5
    • Google / Eng
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      Could be more like super tourism valley!
      Aug 5
  • Amazon ishome
    UNSC resolution 47 requires a local government in Kashmir until such time as a referendum determines whether or not Kashmir is part of India.

    Everybody knows that pretty much 100% of the Kashmiris do not want to be part of India and are only split on whether to be independent or join Pakistan.

    Pakistan failed to remove its militia from their half so India used that as an excuse never to hold the referendum, even though everyone knows that the outcome of that referendum would be Kashmir leaves India.

    How is India going to comply with the UN requirement for self governing in Kashmir?

    And what's the plan if not? Crush the locals and transfer in lots of non Kashmiris to live in walled apartheid settlements? Really?

    This doesn't seem well thought through.
    Aug 5 20
    • Dell vegita
      Your assumption that people apart from Hindus won’t come to Kashmir is inherently wrong. Muslims, Sikhs and Christians can also come and join the state in a peaceful way. You make Hindis sound like invaders but the truth is that Hindus were always invaded and never invaded anyone. Hence, your comment is inaccurate.
      Aug 5
    • Microsoft msabc
      I think it's about integration... Oh our cultural purity will go away if people from other religions come to our place.

      Same is the setup in Saudi Arabia/ Qatar/ pretty much any gulf countries...

      Play the victim card when they immigrate to other countries like US. But, don't extend any such Democratic process in own nations.

      So what if you have a Christian / Hindu / Buddhist neighbor... Oh my Sufi essence is gone? wtf.

      The demography would change... What does that even mean... Indian citizens would mingle ( irrespective of their religion ??). Can't divorce after triple-talak?
      Aug 5
    • Amazon ishome
      The transfer of population will be anything but peaceful. BJP is proposing an apartheid system of walled settlements that will exclude the natives "for security". It will be imposed by violence at gunpoint.
      Aug 5
    • Microsoft / Eng morninstar
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      Anyone that wishes migrates freely within the sovereign territory of India should be able to do so. Since Kashmir is no exception to that, there is no point talking about "natives" - whatever that means to the apartheid dude.
      Aug 8
    • F5 Networks indian-in
      100% Kashmiris want to leave India - REALLY? Or is it just the fundamentalist Islamist - they did mass genocide of Kashmiri Hindus.

      BTW, if the Islamist want to leave, they are free to leave and never come back.
      Aug 9
  • PayPal troyton
    I’m of the opinion we should just give away Kashmir to Pakistan. It’s a drag on us economically and military wise. We gain absolutely nothing by keeping it with us and gain peace by giving it away.
    Aug 5 16
    • Microsoft / Eng Secratriat
      It did. It was part of India during 1947 when partition happened. It was also part of India when constitution was written. All this removal of article 370 did was make these constitutional laws same across J & K just like in other parts of India. That is beneficial to J & K as that makes trade, businesses, real estate, inheritance laws much better.
      And yes some part of me agree India would be better off making Kashmir an independent country if that's all ppl of Kashmir want. Although I am still not sure it would be beneficial to Kashmir in any way other than being a Muslim state.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon ishome
      No it was not. It was Independent and invaded by the Indian army.

      370 exists to comply with the UNSC resolution they requires local administration in Kashmir until a referendum settles its status.

      At the very least ask Kashmiris on the Indian side if they want 370. Don't impose it on them.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon Tryin2Help
      @ishome, have a good night sleep.

      Pakistan attached Kashmir even before it could decide what to do in 1947. Do you think Pakistan will let Kashmir be independent. You are just a A$$Hole who will never grow up.

      No matter what you say or what you do, Kashmiris will be happy, Kashmir will be peaceful and prosperous.

      Pakistan will be buried under the international loans and China will be the first country to screw Pakistan.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon ishome
      Please explain how Pakistan committing a crime against Kashmir justifies India committing a crime against Kashmir?

      Whatever Pakistan did, the Kashmiris don't want to be part of India. You are present in their land at gunpoint and the natives don't support repealing 370.
      Aug 5
    • Microsoft ajdnfbf
      Paypal is literally copypasting the exact same comment on several 370 threads. Reported for Spam.
      Aug 6
  • Cisco luciferr
    My heart bleeds for Kashmiris
    Aug 5 17
    • Netflix greatflix
      Or Kargil, Siachin, Pulwama and Pathnkot. Defend the land from Invaders. Keep living in the bubble.
      Aug 5
    • Cisco luciferr
      greatflix, you really don't have a good grip on current affairs and past events. People who were shot with rubber bullets were not Invaders or outsiders. They were local Kashmiris who were merely exercising their democratic right to protest. Quit thinking that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is an outsider or invader
      Aug 5
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      Right wing extremists hate right to speech.
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    • Netflix greatflix
      That's your perspective. Anyways now India has assimilated it's part of Kashmir. If it doesn't develop like rest of India is developing, you can complain. Give it a chance, you will be surprised.
      Aug 6
    • Microsoft / Eng morninstar
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      Yeah. Exercising their democratic right to protest by not going to s hoops but instead pelting stones on the Army men, disrupting the law and order of the state by not letting the general elections happen and list goes on and on.
      Aug 8
  • Microsoft msabc
    Article 370 of the Constitution is a "temporary provision" which grants special autonomous status to Jammu and Kashmir, laws applicable to whole of India doesn't apply by default to Kashmir, the basic problem of integration with India.

    Article 35A has dual citizenship ( there are resident Kashmiris and Indians ). Only resident Kashmiris can apply for J&K jobs, inherit property, buy property in J&K preventing any enterprise to invest.

    The law bans no-permanent residents from settling permanently in the state, buying land, from taking government jobs and scholarships. This goes against Indian fundamental rights.
    Aug 5 18
    • Amazon ishome
      Sorry but an agreement between India and Pakistan does not make the UN resolution moot. The future of Kashmir is to be decided by Kashmiris. Not by Indians. Not be Pakistanis.

      Kashmiris alone, it's their right to self determination and foreigners whether from India or from Pakistan don't have a right to decide for them.
      Aug 5
    • Netflix greatflix
      You are not getting the point. Obligation, especially point 1 was never met. So plesbicite is out of question. Kashmiri people need to direct that anger towards Pakistan for their condition. Remember, Kashmir was independent until tribals from Pak attacked them
      Aug 5
    • Amazon ishome
      The obligation to set up local rule is not conditional on anything. Only the referendum to determine final status is conditional.

      India has been compliant with the local rule obligation until now thanks to article 370. What mechanism will be used going forward to ensure that obligation continues to be met by India?

      Namely self rule by the Kashmiris until such time as a final status referendum can be held?
      Aug 5
    • Netflix greatflix
      Again, how do you set up local rule without fulfilling first obligation ? If you are Kashmiri, you are barking at wrong tree Son. Look towards your neighbor at West.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon ishome
      Local rule exists there today, so just go check it how it's working.
      Aug 5
  • Amazon PIP4u
    It’s time to get back POK and end the whole debate.
    Aug 5 7
  • Amazon PIP4u
    _*Pakistan is checking all the clauses in their Declaration of Independence to see if India can take back Pakistan through a proclamation by the Indian President.*_

    Specially for words like
    _"Temporary Partition"_
    Aug 7 6
  • Microsoft msabc
    first of all, to folks who don't know... Graphics for understanding...

    The things discussed here is about yellow area of Kashmir with Indian government (not whole of Kashmir, which is yellow+green+red) ...

    Rest of Kashmir(green) was illegally annexed by Pakistan and now called Pakistan occupied Kashmir. There are no laws there and recently suppressed agitations. https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/06/gilgit-baltistan-rebels-against-pakistan-201462984334940614.html

    Red area (Aksai Chin) annexed by China.

    No concerns there I think for international community. How about freeing the green area, under illegal Pakistan control, where Chinese and Pakistani administration are suppressing locals, and terror camps are booming.
    Aug 5 22
  • Microsoft TheProphet
    India should next plan to recover Pakistan occupied Indian territories of Kashmir.
    Aug 5 8
    • Microsoft / Eng dFfl86
      India shud just acquire Pakistan and make it a union territory as well. Might help their economy as well! 😈
      Aug 5
    • Lol 😆, why do you take a cancerous country? So, all the Jehadis get free access to India
      Aug 5
    • Amazon PIP4u
      First cluster bomb 💣 the Terror camps and then take over
      Aug 5
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      would rape stats go up or down if they absorbed Pakistan?
      Aug 5
    • @BecauseWhy cases of halala will certainly go up
      Aug 5
  • Microsoft ms12345
    On another note...

    Imran: Trump Uncle, Trump Uncle, pleaaazee help solve our Kashmir problem. Pleaaazzze....

    Trump: I would like to offer myself to negotiate Kashmir.

    Modi: hold my beer...
    Aug 5 2
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      Jai Hind!

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      Aug 5
    • Microsoft ajdnfbf
      Hold my chai more appropriate 😁
      Aug 6
  • Microsoft UGE
    Trump 2020 is going to cancel H1Bs and send all these Modi supporters back to India. And he has officially asked for social media profiles on future visa applications, so he can find all these people. They should make India great again, forget USA.
    Aug 5 1
    • Microsoft msabc
      Yes, and he is going to welcome Pakistani Muslims with open arms. GTFO (sarcasm)
      Aug 5
  • Microsoft bloodbath
    Finally - Masterstroke
    Aug 5 0