Assimilation and speaking English

Procore bobsburge
Jan 28 65 Comments

Concerning immigrants, is speaking English a sign of assimilation? Should immigrants have to learn English? The US doesn’t have an official language.

https://deadline.com/2019/01/tom-brokaw-apologizes-for-meet-the-press-immigration-comments-1202543000/

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    • Microsoft WestIsBest
      Correct. Lack of assimilation, lack of unity, multiculturalism, etc. is currently America’s biggest problem.
      Jan 28
    • Amazon Jеff Bezоs
      Diversity is a cancer.
      Jan 28
    • Apple hMWF54
      @Google because engineers define products, not PMs
      Jan 28
    • Apple hMWF54
      That was G when I was there
      Jan 28
    • Apple hMWF54
      I think that more than PMs G needs a stronger design team. Don’t get me wrong, the design team is doing good work (material spec is well executed) but they don’t have enough to say on product decisions
      Jan 28
    • Facebook / Engtynext
      I like how you guys can say dumb shit like this while having a CEO or other chief executives in your company be immigrants or non white. It's hilarious.
      Jan 28
    • Nielsen / Eng
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      If you don't care about diversity come with us in Fintech. Don't care what color you are or how you fuck or who you voted for, just produce- simple as that. Just remember that you're paid to produce, not to complain. All these complaints are suppressed in the form of tc.
      Jan 28
    • Nielsen / Eng
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      @tynext, thank you for calling out the bull shit.
      Jan 28
    • Microsoft DangerRngr
      “Biggest problem with America these days is Whites afraid to speak the truth. (...)”
      Hey OP! I am white and not afraid to speak the truth. Diversity is a fact of life. Diversity is source of strength. Deal with it.
      Also, deal with your insecurities, your irrational fears, and your hypocrisy.

      So tired of those inbred fascist morons.
      Jan 28
    • Microsoft DangerRngr
      Also... your pseudonym gave you away. “WestIsBest” really gives an idea about the character...
      Jan 28
  • Snapchat MAGA2020!
    “Official language” is just a technicality but English is the de facto official language. The law requires basic English skills for naturalization. Speak whatever you want but you need to have at least basic English skills.
    Jan 284
    • Amazon Mary2018
      Except they let you vote in other languages...that should change
      Jan 28
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Why? Government should make things easier for people, not harder.
      Jan 28
    • Amazon Mary2018
      Because if you want to be a citizen and participate you should speak the language, as every country in EU requires (that I can think of). In Holland you vote in Dutch. In Belgium in French or Dutch as they have multiple official languages
      Jan 28
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Why would we want to be like Europe? We support liberty.
      Jan 29
  • Salesforce cold brew
    I don’t get it. If I move to another country, I should learn the language. The DMV equivalent in other countries shouldn’t cater to my English speaking. If I move to Germany, I need to learn German. I need to drive and vote in German. The US, and especially California, is too coddling.
    Jan 2813
    • Salesforce cold brew
      Ok, you have an argument for Germany? Or European countries that speak English? Great. But I would never expect that to be the case. If I went to China, I’d be fucked. I would need to learn mandarin or Cantonese. But you move to the US.... no, no need to learn English. Everything is in your native language. The DMV tests, the voting ballots.... why? Why do we have to cater to the world? Assimilation isn’t a bad thing. Speak your native tongue at home, who cares. But government and schools should be in one language.
      Jan 29
    • Facebook / Engtynext
      It's a state by state decision as it should be. Plenty of states don't do anything to cater to others. And unless I see someone proposing we use tax dollars for free English classes idgaf if the DMV has Spanish material.
      Jan 29
    • Salesforce cold brew
      Ahahahaha more money for illegals. Keep going Tynext
      Jan 29
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Why compare the US to countries that don’t respect liberty and free speech?

      Localization isn’t magic, we all do it, so can government.
      Jan 29
    • Facebook / Engtynext
      Who said anything about illegals? You act like enforcing a national langauge without free classes is even possible. Those countries actually have higher economic freedom and you can do the same things there. They respect free speech just as much as here.
      Jan 29
    • Facebook / Engtynext
      And once again you show your ignorance. Plenty of white people get by in China knowing just English. At least visit these places before making up things about them.
      Jan 29
    • Salesforce cold brew
      But are all the countries major processes in English? Or only the national language? Why do we coddle? Learn English.
      Jan 29
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Why compare the US to countries with fewer freedoms?
      Jan 30
    • Salesforce cold brew
      The freedom to not assimilate? No thanks
      Jan 30
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Freedom of association means people don’t have to assimilate.
      Jan 30
  • Amazon Kim Jon Un
    Well, the white European Invaders didn't bother to assimilate into the native American culture and learn their naive American language. Instead, they killed the native Americans and forced the real Americans to learn English, a foreign language brought by white imperial Invaders.
    Jan 283
    • Amazon Kim Jon Un
      What's with your entitlement to force other people to assimilate into your culture and speak your language though?

      Of course we should get on and acknowledge what's already happened. But the unjust colonization should not grant the invaders the privilege to force other people centuries later to speak their language.
      Jan 28
    • Amazon mehungry
      Kim Jon, what entitlement? They're in this country so they live by our rules, one of the rules is to learn the language otherwise they can't succeed and will be a burden on society. This excludes the elderly
      Jan 28
    • Amazon Kim Jon Un
      I've never forced you to learn any language. My point is nobody should be entitled to force anyone learn any language. Period. There's no official language in USA.
      Jan 28
  • Amazon Kim Jon Un
    The native Americans' language should be the official language of the United States, instead of English, a language brought from white Invaders.
    Jan 282
    • It’s best to just live with the truth. Our country was founded on genocide and built by the backs of slaves and move on. Once good thing Germany does is they don’t sugar coat their history, so they don’t forget. But it doesn’t take away what your country is today and what it’s become. We don’t have an official language because we don’t have 3-4 borders each speaking different languages to cause confusion. It is defacto English. If you don’t learn it, you can’t communicate and you don’t integrate. It’s not that complicated.
      Jan 28
    • Looks like MrHands (small hands?) has skipped history class...
      Jan 28
  • Google w61Mqh
    Pretty funny that Americans are going back and forth over a language requirement when it's not even for debate in any other country.

    There is such a thing as being too generous, folks.
    Jan 282
    • Apple hMWF54
      I think only immigrants are debating.
      Jan 28
    • Amazon mehungry
      Yep, that's for sure)
      Jan 28
  • Pinterest tyip463s
    Yet another racist post. I’m more worried about immigrants assimilating into this frustration and hate. You really make us feel bitter and lose our romantic vision of the American Dream, when we see how you treat each other. I never knew what systemic racism and xenophobia really were, until I came here.
    Jan 282
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Where did you come from that doesn’t have systemic racism and xenophobia?
      Jan 28
    • Amazon mehungry
      Those immigrants that don't assimilate are a burden to our society and need to go back. I'm an immigrant and I know plenty of those... Waste of resources.
      Jan 28
  • Oath Njkl
    I can't stand people who don't speak good English. Makes communicating frustrating and inefficient. If you're going to come to the US and plan on staying and building your career here, then at least learn proper English. There is really no excuse. There are dozens free resources. Practice 30-60mins a night and you will figure it out in no time. The worst when I see people who have been here for 5+ yrs and still barely speak English. Like they aren't even making an effort. Gtfo
    Jan 281
    • Salesforce pestapla
      I can’t stand people who don’t speak good English [sic] either

      Do you speak any other languages? Speaking another language well becomes a matter of talent later in life. There are literally certain phonemes that the brain loses its ability to discern as an infant assimilates its native language. There are many sounds that you would not be able to reproduce consistently even with a gun pointed to your head in foreign languages just because your brain can’t register it. Foreign languages are not trivial.
      Jan 28
  • Amazon Kim Jon Un
    Other than the aboriginal native American language, all other languages should be considered equally foreign. English is a foreign language used by English Invaders, and thus is not in any way more American than, let's say, Chinese.
    Jan 281
    • What about the languages of the peoples that the more modern “natives” conquered?
      Jan 28
  • Apple hMWF54
    Immigrant here. We must learn to speak English because it is the language of the land. I also want to keep my native tongue alive, thus at home I speak my own language
    Jan 280
  • Microsoft naaam
    At the end, none of our BS opinions matter. Whoever is the strong majority wins. If borderjumpers fully occupy this country, then their language will become the defacto. If you go to border cities like say San Diego, you mostly hear Spanish everywhere you go.
    Jan 280
  • Speaking english is a sign of assimilation. Immigrants to any english-speaking countries should *want* to learn english for the betterment of themselves and society.

    If they don’t want to they can kindly gtfo and revert back.

    Source: Wife is an immigrant, I’m learning her language to prepare to become an immigrant to her country
    Jan 282
    • Amazon Kim Jon Un
      Speaking the aboriginal native American language is a real sign of assimilation. How about ask the white European imperialists who came here and took over our land to actually assimilate into the native American culture and learn their naive American language?
      Jan 28
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Your trolling would go better if you acknowledge that there are many Native American languages, not just one.
      Jan 28
  • Cant take MCAT in spanish...democrates and just pandering to immigrants who were let in for low end service jobs...and actuslly dont want these immigrants to challenge in the domain of good careers.

    Telemundo was owned by white american investor....
    Jan 280
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    Requiring a specific language goes against the First Amendment.
    Jan 282
    • Apple hMWF54
      But if you want to be able to read the first amendment then you need to know basic English
      Jan 28
    • Facebook / Engtynext
      Google translate exists you know
      Jan 28
  • Amazon 🇺🇸#1
    America number one! 🇺🇸
    Immigrants should all learn English or GTFO! They voluntarily come to my country so they should learn to speak my language! My country, my rules!
    Jan 281
  • Adobe 209Teen
    Learning English definitely gives an advantage. At the same time, don’t give up traditions, culture, and teaching your children languages from their family. It is possible to be multicultural and have a strong community. Multiculturalism is what makes cities around the US vibrant and alive. Lack of diversity is boring.

    When people say “assimilation”, it’s assimilation to what? SV? NYC? Seattle? LA? Honolulu? Anchorage? New Orleans?
    Jan 281
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Assimilation to whatever the speaker thinks is the “culture.”
      Jan 28
  • Oracle mariachi
    Those who voted No, what's your suggestion to people who immigrate to have a better quality of life, education, career in this country? Wherever you come from, what languages are spoken by the people? Aren't multiple language skills valuable?
    Jan 280
  • Amazon mehungry
    You have two competing questions here. Remove one so the poll is clear
    Jan 280
  • Amazon ya!
    Learning English definitely gives you a huge advantage in the job market. I would resist any law that forced English on people but my advice to every immigrant is focus on becoming fluent.

    You can get jobs within your language bubble but there's a real ceiling on your career and comp off you don't learn English.

    This includes tech. You can get a job in the US as an SDE with poor English skills and be a pretty good sde1 or even sde2, but you won't go much further than that.
    Jan 280

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