Aurora vs Argo ai vs Aptiv vs Cruise

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I have been gone through initial screen for software engineer role (simulation). 10+ yoe.

Any idea about culture and compensation??

here are my thoughts:

Aurora:
That is my top pick becasue of their impressive leadership team. BUT VW and now Hyundai left them after worki g with them about an year. This looks really BAD that they are not able to retain partners and they prefer to go and invest somewhere else. Plus their offers in terms of stock I heard is pretty low since they are selling minimum 10x growth in 1-2 years which i dont buy. i cleared phone screening but delaying onsite. anyone has any comments/opinion about Aurora??? please help.

Argo:
They have so much money. Recent offers i know are 30 to 50% above their current compensation. plus they have very solid backing of Ford and VW.

Aptiv:
It is already 20bn market cap. Does not attract me in terms of growth potential. but they were able to impress Hyundai to invet 4bn in them which is huge.

Cruise:
No way. i already told recruiter i am not interested. Heard bad feedback from a friend who works there.

TC: 450+ (in Pittsburgh)

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  • Apple Icml2017
    Argo would be my choice if you leave Uber. Just curious, did you consider Lyft L5?
    Sep 25 7
    • Uber
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      Only at Level 5, PhD + 2 year experience can land a job as perception head and planning head.
      Argo definitely has industry recognized people leading and recently they offer numbers are mind blowing in Pittsburgh.
      Lot of people I worked with in ATG, landed in Argo and Aurora - both seams to be great option. Just in case of Aurora I want to wait and understand what is going on with their partnership.
      Sep 26
    • Apple Icml2017
      I fully agree and talked with the head of perception; the guy who is the manager of the head of perception doesn’t have a lot of industry experience either (and definitely no experience in the field of robotics or computer vision).

      I interviewed at Argo, Cruise, ATG and Lyft L5 and liked Argo the best. One of my interviewers was Mike Happold (from CMU) who I believe is head of Perception at Argo and he seemed to be a solid guy. Another thing that turned me off at Lyft L5 (this probably is not relevant after you start working there) was their recruiter; she was so arrogant from the beginning itself. I think at Cruise also they have lots of managers or even directors almost right out of college.
      Sep 26
    • Rockwell Collins cscY72
      How was your interview experience? I'm not sure how to prepare for interviews at these companies. I know about leetcode and grok sys design. Are there any useful resources to look at before appearing for swe interview at these companies
      Oct 12
    • Apple Icml2017
      My background is in 3D computer vision and at Argo there were lots of domain specific questions plus standard coding problems. Lyft’s interview was very disorganized but it had standard whiteboard coding and 1 hour live coding in laptop. Uber was 2 coding, 1 domain specific questions and 1 behavioral round. Cruise was similar too and I liked the interviews and questions at Cruise.
      Oct 13
    • NVIDIA NNco88
      @autosar - I too do not endorse or like being given a head tag with just no experience like level 5. However Tesla s too is Andrej which had no experience or at a similar level like Anantha.. ofc Andrej seems slightly bigger name, but the two have similar degrees under them.. not sure what I want to conclude here .. but anything happens
      Oct 26
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    I heard disturbing stories about Jinnah who is leading the software org at Aurora. I saw that in Blind someone commented which I ignored but then I met someone who worked under Jinnah in past and he mentioned he is an asshole (before you ask me what do I mean by that please read Robert Sutton book about Asshole).
    Can someone comment from Aurora on how was their experience with Jinnah????
    I am worried if that is case with top leadership then it can have trickled down effect.
    Oct 9 12
    • Lyft lyftwhaat
      You think the 20B valuation at which profits interests are being distributed is good? Employees may never make anything if it never reaches 20B valuation!
      Nov 5
    • Argo AI Arrrrgo
      That’s not true at all. It’s not an option, it’s a profit unit. If it’s worth 10B then you make 50%.
      Nov 5
    • Lyft lyftwhaat
      Ahh.. I read it otherwise somewhere.. ok thanks for explaining. But what if it gets acquired? Still the same math or acquirers can change the rules of the valuation?
      Nov 5
    • Argo AI Arrrrgo
      Yeah I mean then it would depend on the terms of the deal like any acquisition.
      Nov 5
    • NVIDIA NNco88
      What validation they're giving now for Argo offers ? 20B - this seems almost 3x their valuation ( even if they get VW deal complete)
      Nov 6
  • NVIDIA NNco88
    What did you decide OP ? Did you get offer from Argo ?
    Nov 8 3
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      I joined Aurora
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    • NVIDIA NNco88
      Congrats ..! Any inputs on why did you choose ahead of others, esp Argo ?
      Nov 8
    • Aurora SMC007
      Welcome!
      Nov 9
  • Drive.ai ei92Gk
    Aurora is still partnered with FCA and Amazon. I don’t think it’s BAD at all. They still have a strong leadership and there are so many companies out there to be partnered with in the future. VW and Hyundai probably pulled out because they didn’t have the same goals aligned which is understandable in this industry because it’s still fairly new.

    Argo is promising too. Same business model as Aurora where they just want to build the software and partner with OEMs. I don’t think you can go wrong with either tbh.
    Sep 28 0
  • Aurora SMC007
    I'd recommend getting through all on-sites and seeing what your choices come down to. I obviously recommend Aurora, but I'm biased.

    The tech anywhere is at an early enough stage that everyone's hedging their bets - that's what we're seeing here. Hyundai remains partner to Aurora, but has also started a partnership with Aptiv (they started something with Yandex earlier this year too). We at Aurora aren't too worried, remain motivated and are continuing to make solid progress.
    Sep 26 2
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      Thanks! Great to hear someone from Aurora. But you don’t make an investment worth $4bn until you have great confidence in their technology stack. I don’t know exactly how much Hyundai investment into Aurora but prolly fraction of that amount.
      Sep 26
    • Aurora SMC007
      Agreed - I don't doubt that Aptiv has some good stuff to show, and good talent to offer. Hyundai was and is a minority investor in Aurora.

      I don't know the terms of their JV. It sounds like it's valued at 4bn, with Hyundai putting in 1.6bn. I don't know how much stake they get in return - but it seems like it's quite high (compared to valuations in this industry).
      I'd love to hear what people from Aptiv think about the deal.
      Sep 28
  • Aptiv Younever
    Seems like people mentioned Aptiv here and there but no one really comes to interview.
    Oct 2 2
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      Yeah, I got a call for Aptiv too for a role in Michigan but I declined. Somehow, doesn't give the feeling of much growth potential.
      Oct 14
    • Aptiv Younever
      Apply for Boston/Pittsburgh/Singapore, it is very different from Michigan.
      Oct 14
  • Waymo PdAX50
    Waymo :)
    Sep 25 1
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      Problem with stock liquidity since they don’t give google stocks. Plus they are already valued really high, growth potential not very attractive.
      Sep 25
  • Argo AI Arrrrgo
    Argo is pretty great 🤷🏻‍♂️
    Sep 25 0
  • Aptiv ILtE80
    Stay at Uber or go to Aurora
    Sep 25 1
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      Thanks!
      Sep 25
  • Pony.ai janitor.
    Why you leave uber? How is pittsburgh? Your TC is a lot in Pittsburgh.
    Oct 8 2
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      I agree salary is great but year back it was well above 500k ... now stock is a mess.
      Oct 9
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      Looking for a positive change
      Oct 9
  • Tesla lakdksk
    Where’d you read that Hyundai dropped Aurora?
    Sep 25 1
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      Just announced two days ago. They invested 4bn with Aptiv and it implies that they won’t proceed with Aurora.
      Sep 25

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