Azure vs AWS offer comparison

Expedia Group QLVF58
Oct 15 25 Comments

I need help deciding between these 2 offers.
Location: Seattle
YOE: 8
Position: SWE

Microsoft Azure:
Level 63
TC for first year: 234K (160K base + 15% target bonus + 100K RSUs / 4 years + 25K signing bonus).
Average TC for next 3 years: 209K

Amazon AWS:
L5
TC for first year: 248K (158 base + 80K cash bonus + 5% of ~170K in stocks)
Average TC for next 3 years: 233K

I haven't done any negotiations yet. These are the initial offers.

Azure Pros:
* I liked the team more than the AWS one (new team working on a new project).
* From what I hear (even the impression I had visiting both offices) WLB/culture seem better at Microsoft.
* L63 seems to be on the higher bracket of L5 (between L5 and L6), so probably positioned better for promotions.

AWS Pros:
* The leading cloud platform.
* Slightly better pay.

Let me know your thoughts, mainly on 2 points:
1. Which offer do you think is better overall?
2. How much room for negotiation do you think I have?

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  • Credit Karma Yessssss
    What's happening to Blind today, saw some other post and people recommended Amazon over Coinbase, now Amazon over Microsoft 🤔
    Take Microsoft!
    Oct 15 3
    • Expedia Group QLVF58
      OP
      Could you elaborate please?
      Oct 15
    • Credit Karma Yessssss
      Use Amazon Offer to negotiate and go to Microsoft. Way better WLB, even if they lowball you Microsoft is any day better than Amazon.
      Oct 15
    • Amazon sekuro
      Don’t worry you still have someone on the outside speaking as if they know so still blind! Azure isn’t known to have a great wlb, it’s kinda a roll of the dice here.
      Oct 16
  • Thoughtworks / Eng HGPk76
    I’m curious why you consider working with C#. Is a downside. It’s an objective better language than Java, albeit less so now. You should be able to catch up with the likes of Java if and when you move
    Oct 15 2
    • Amazon / Eng pyninja
      This. C# is miles better than Java
      Oct 15
    • Expedia Group QLVF58
      OP
      I agree with you. I worked with C# before and really liked it. So I misspoke here. It's more about the whole tech stack at Microsoft being more specific to Msft. Thinking more about this point, it applies to Amazon as well, so I would drop it altogether.
      Oct 15
  • PayScale theHRdept
    Way better wlb at Microsoft. Even if your team is hardcore at Msft, you're going to be working less than a normal team at Amazon.

    Definitely negotiate. You can get your TC close from msft.

    One thing to consider: which is a better commute for you... They're on opposite sides of the city.
    Oct 15 2
    • Expedia Group QLVF58
      OP
      I'll be moving anyways for this role. Any significant difference in housing costs between Redmond and Seattle downtown?
      Oct 15
    • PayScale theHRdept
      🤷‍♂️ I bought a house several years ago.

      Redmond is the 'burbs. It's nice.

      Seattle is the city. I love the city, but there are downsides to it too.

      They're very different places.
      Oct 15
  • Facebook ⭕w⭕
    - AWS; Azure is only trying to catch up to AWS.
    - They're lowballing you hard on the RSUs for L63.
    - Don't assume cushy WLB just because it's MS.
    Oct 15 1
    • Expedia Group QLVF58
      OP
      Thanks!
      I'm not assuming cushy WLB. Just something reasonable and I hear a lot of mixed feedback on AWS. Also, the AWS team I interviewed for seemed more focused on Operations, and therefore I would assume more work pressure at AWS.
      Oct 15
  • Google Guberman
    Take other things into consideration...location within seattle area..., paid time off, 401k, health subsidy/ benefit, free food if they offer
    Oct 15 1
    • Microsoft / Eng SwiftSocks
      Good point, Microsoft’s benefits > AWS’s.
      Oct 15
  • Mphasis / Eng ITzQ40
    You can definitely negotiate with Microsoft to get closer to Amazon offer or even better beat the offer.
    Oct 15 0
  • Microsoft leet_word
    Make sure you end up with the same team that you spoke to at Microsoft. Things usually change at the time of joining. Wlb depends on your team and manager. Can’t generalize for the whole company.
    Oct 15 0
  • Microsoft vipY55
    No free food but benefits are way better. Amazon’s 401k and insurance are shitty
    Oct 15 0
  • Amazon / Eng no email
    I don't think you'll get any stock your first year at Amazon. Those shouldn't start vesting until after year 2. First 2 years are cash.
    Oct 15 3
    • Microsoft GTFO++;
      5% first year, 15% second. 20% every 6 months if I recall correctly
      Oct 15
    • Amazon / Eng no email
      Yeah it's been a while... But "first year" means after one year. So it shouldn't really be included in the first year TC calculation since you actually get it in your second year
      Oct 16
    • Microsoft GTFO++;
      Correct. The way they put is misleading. Though the sign on cash seems to "vest" monthly.
      Oct 16
  • Microsoft
    gdwyjvd

    Microsoft

    PRE
    Amazon
    gdwyjvdmore
    Use your amzn offer to negotiate, ask for something like 160k rsu, 60k sign on.
    Oct 15 0
  • Microsoft GTFO++;
    Never worked in azure but had many people complain about how chaotic it is. I've seen, first hand, vacations getting cancelled and not even been compensated.

    I do know for sure non azure Msft has great wlb. Depends on where you are at your life to trade wlb for learning. The money follows the learning, though may not do so immediately, in my experience.

    You couldn't go wrong with either. But I wouldn't bank on 15% bonus the first year at Msft. Even if you kick ass, your bonus eligible salary will be less than 160k base.
    Oct 15 0
  • Microsoft / Eng TC_slut
    I was earning more at L62. Negotiate with your Amzn offer. 233 is easily doable at L63
    Oct 15 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    weeeeeeee

    Amazon Eng

    BIO
    AWS
    weeeeeeeemore
    Depends on what you value.

    If you want more WLB/less learning, more of a catch-up game, I would say Azure.

    If you want less WLB/more learning, more of a leading game, I would say AWS.

    That’s really what it comes down to.
    Oct 15 0

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