Being hourly as a new grad

Apple / Eng NRxt00
Aug 8, 2018 18 Comments

Do most companies do that? At Apple so far all new grad offers being given to interns I know are hourly.

Seems like a huge bump in TC if you can push for ~50 hour weeks, but I’ve heard promos are slower at Apple...

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  • Oath
    ysss

    Oath

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    Google, Amazon, Uber, Airbnb, Facebook
    ysssmore
    What is the rate?
    Aug 8, 2018 6
    • Oath
      ysss

      Oath

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      ysssmore
      Only $8 above intern pay. Out of curiosity what’s average stock and signing?
      Aug 8, 2018
    • Apple / Eng NRxt00
      OP
      I’ve seen anywhere from 10k to 25k signing and 50k to 100k stock
      Aug 8, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product Kemw
      50-100K stock over 4 years? This is while you’re an hourly worker?
      Aug 8, 2018
    • Apple / Eng NRxt00
      OP
      Yeah I mean it’s a standard SWE offer just you’re paid by the hour instead of a fixed amount yearly
      Aug 8, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product Kemw
      I didn’t kno hourly employees have stock/ bonuses too , but seems very standard then
      Aug 8, 2018
  • Facebook coffee?
    Even if it’s hourly, can you actually do 50-60 billable hours a week regularly? I’d assume anything over 40 would require business need & justification.
    Aug 8, 2018 1
    • Apple / Eng NRxt00
      OP
      Probably depends on the team
      Aug 8, 2018
  • Google / Product
    Mu07-Goo

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    Mu07-Goomore
    Common practise at Apple to pay hourly for ICT 1 & ICT 2 and also they typically do not provide any RSU when you are ICT 1 / ICT 2. Also, it's a very common practise to bill for more than 40 hrs, that makes up for the missed RSU comp. The major hitch is that its difficult to move from ICT 2 to ICT 3 in a year...so you not only miss the intial RSU but you also miss the 1st year Refresher RSU.... Just my 2 cents try to negotiate and get a ICT 3.
    Aug 8, 2018 0
  • Apple / Eng cho Chang
    In Eddy’s org at Apple new grads start at ICT3 which is salaried instead of hourly
    Aug 8, 2018 0
  • Apple bannnnnana
    Which org are you in?
    Aug 8, 2018 1
    • Apple / Eng NRxt00
      OP
      Craig
      Aug 8, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng kerby
    Hourly pay feels against the nature of the work. I'd be wary of working any place that paid full time software developers hourly, just feels like a red flag about management.
    Aug 8, 2018 4
    • Facebook AFIQ86
      Don’t know if it is still the case but at Facebook in some non-Eng orgs, FB paid hourly for IC1 and IC2, and it was common to bill more than 40 hours. I heard of many instances where 2’s actually took an effective pay cut when promoted to a 3 because of no more overtime.
      Aug 8, 2018
    • Facebook AFIQ86
      Of course, none were developers, since I don’t think we level devs that low
      Aug 8, 2018
    • Apple / Eng NRxt00
      OP
      How is hourly pay against the nature of software development? Serious Q
      Aug 8, 2018
    • Apple bannnnnana
      Isn’t it common for FB engineers to pull 50 hour work weeks? In that case I’d argue that hourly is a better for FB.
      Aug 8, 2018