Being offered l62. 5 YOE. MSIDC.

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kratosss

New Eng

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Cisco, Amazon
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Jun 3 15 Comments

Where do I fall in levelling spectrum?

What can I expect as TC (current TC: 33L, NIL stocks)

How much can I push to get l63 knowing that my TC kind of falls in its band (It does, right?)

I’v churned myself over the years to become Principal engineer (in startup world) within 5 YOE. It kind of feels under-levelled to join MS at sub-senior level.

Is l62 senior level or sub senior level. Does it vary with country?

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  • Microsoft bnsixjoans
    You will always be underleved in any company unless you are coming from a similar positions from FAANG.

    Startup experience is awesome but HR doesn't accept them as 'creds' as there are more things needed to succeed in the big company.

    Best way is to prove yourself and push up the stack.

    62 is a very good level for 5 YOE. If you are as good as you claim to be it is not hard to get promoted every year or every 1.5 years.
    Jun 3 1
    • New / Eng
      kratosss

      New Eng

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      OP
      Thanks. This is helpful.

      Oh. I dint mean to boast about being good. lol I am not 😅

      I just put in sleepless nights and 100 hr weeks.
      Jun 3
  • Microsoft leet code
    How are you calculating the TC? Is it 33 base or 27base + 20% bonus or 30base + 10% target?

    In my opinion getting Nil stocks is not right and you should negotiate to get them.
    Jun 3 7
    • Microsoft leet code
      2 years back I got base 31 + 20% bonus + 60K stocks vesting in five years and 3L joining bonus. My TC before joining here was 30L + 2L worth RSU’s. Hope that helps. Best of luck!
      Jun 3
    • New / Eng
      kratosss

      New Eng

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      Cisco, Amazon
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      OP
      Awesome information. I assume you were taken at l62?

      Also in Blind terms, we’l call your offer 47 (31 + 3.1 (10% bonus) + 3 (signon) + ~7 (60*60/5))

      Right?
      Jun 3
    • Microsoft / Eng DTds84
      No, Blind considers sign on over 4 years generally. Also, his bonus is 20%.
      Jun 3
    • New / Eng
      kratosss

      New Eng

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      Cisco, Amazon
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      OP
      I thought 10% of bonus is achievable so everyone follows this standard of adding only 10% of bonus in TC.

      Sign on over 4 years? Dint get you there.
      Jun 3
    • Microsoft / Eng DTds84
      Since you don't get sign on after 1 year, it is averaged over 4 years.
      Jun 3
  • Microsoft / Eng
    SatyaNad12

    Microsoft Eng

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    Intuit, Zynga
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    I’m l60 and TC is 29 per year. You’ll get a hell lot more. But fight for l63 is real
    Jun 3 2
    • New / Eng
      kratosss

      New Eng

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      Cisco, Amazon
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      OP
      Haha! Do we have a quantifiable value for ‘hell lot more’ 😅

      Oh yea. 63 is a status symbol!
      Jun 3
    • Microsoft / Eng
      SatyaNad12

      Microsoft Eng

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      Intuit, Zynga
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      You’ll get 40-50 very easily
      Jun 3
  • Microsoft / Eng Melloneusk
    MS offer?
    Jun 3 0
  • Microsoft / R&D ^^^
    Unless you are joining from Google, no L 63. SDE or PM? Which org? If you are good at cross continent collaborators, working with lazy buttts with 25 years of experience in same code base and can get the work done by them already in your prior experience, I would suggest not to press for L 63.
    Jun 3 0