Bellevue vs. Moutainview

Spotify dogfoodr
7d 74 Comments

MS SDE 63 170k base 300K stocks 100k sign on at Bellevue
Vs.
Google L4 165k base 275k stocks 50k sign on Mountainview

G is known to give out higher refreshes. G has the brand name.
Which one would you choose?

TC: 160 base + unknown amount paper money

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    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      In terms career, would MS name make me look bad?
      Also is lvl 63 same as L4 in G?
      7d
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      Appreciate your perspective.
      7d
    • Nielsen nqED75
      MSFT already has higher market cap than GOOG, which makes no sense to me (compare growth opportunities; MSFT is just the new IBM). What rationale for MSFT stock appreciation?
      6d
  • No state tax in WA
    7d 0
  • Microsoft oprota
    Bellevue vs Mountainview - Bellevue
    Google vs Microsoft - Google
    7d 6
    • This x100. There is nothing glamorous or particularly enjoyable about living around Mountain View. You ideal combination is the Google offer in one of their WA locations - Kirkland (near Bellevue), Fremont, or South Lake Union. The new home of GCP in WA is SLU. Talk to your recruiter about options for working out of WA
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    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      What about the rain? Isn't that a negative?
      7d
    • Every city has some negatives. Seattle certainly has theirs. Obviously I'm biased, but I find the positives far outweigh the negatives here. The rain is really only in the winter months. The rest of the year it's not bad at all. The same weather every day is too monotonous for me.
      7d
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      Gotcha.
      Btw what is SLU in your previous comment?
      6d
    • South Lake Union. The neighborhood in downtown Seattle where Google is building their new offices
      6d
  • Snapchat jOLb15
    Create a poll
    7d 2
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      Good point. Didnt know how to create one.
      7d
    • Spotify / Eng bubbedty
      Lol
      6d
  • Cisco dEwb04
    MS for sure. No brainer.
    7d 4
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      But MS is more political and no free food etc. Decision is not 100% no brainer to me.
      7d
    • Cisco dEwb04
      In general MS can be more political. But it's not like Google is free of political BS. You will find it very hard to get promotion in G. Also, free lunch? How much would you spend for lunch anyway? The TC difference (taking account of COL / state tax / absolute TC difference) is very significant to ignore.
      7d
    • Verizon Media sxSG85
      The perks and “other” amenities do add up. I practically spend 0 money on food since I joined a Bay Area bigwig. My commute is free because my company pays for carpool.
      I don’t spend money at the gym or classes anymore.
      So yeah these things do matter if you proactively use then. I easily save ~ 1000 bucks a month and my 401k is the Cadillac of all 401ks.
      YMMV but if you use up these things, they really great.
      State tax sure. That’s something OP can consider if it makes a dent for him/her
      5d
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      Verizon, are you in G now?
      5d
  • Microsoft / Eng
    recession

    Microsoft Eng

    PRE
    SpaceX, Tesla Motors
    recessionmore
    Microsoft. Jump to Google later
    7d 2
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      Can't I do Google first?
      7d
    • Amazon bMrd67
      No, you'll want to do google long term not msft.
      6d
  • TrueCar / Eng lolcar
    270K vs. ~247K. 270K gets 10% more off the bat and lower COL. MSFT from a financial perspective. Rest depends on team and career.
    7d 0
  • MS it's all about the TC
    7d 0
  • Google
    GoogleSoft

    Google

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    GoogleSoftmore
    Tell Google that you have competing offer. I think they will match
    7d 9
    • Google / Eng sadnoogler
      Dang I got lowballed hard by G
      7d
    • Apple vnqoza
      How much did u get?
      6d
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      Must be why he is a sad noogler.
      6d
    • Google / Eng sadnoogler
      Too low..., I am still sad about it .
      5d
    • Apple vnqoza
      How low?
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  • Tableau Kaczynski
    In terms of location and TC I’d say MS wins handily. Having worked at MS (but not Google) it can be political and unless you have a solid management chain promotions can be slow. Everything I see about Google says it’s similar there nowadays. I definitely say Google has more prestige though MS is not a bad name to have on your resume. All other things being equal I’d do Google but I could never live in Mountain View and the COL means the MS offer is a quite a bit better than it seems as a straight number comparison. All that said, I’d say it’s a toss up and would go with what team you liked better and where you’d prefer to live.
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    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      How slow would you say from 63 to 64? Like 2 years if i work hard?
      7d
    • Tableau Kaczynski
      Very doable but it comes down to your manager and skip level. Some people languish forever and others move quickly.
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  • Microsoft / Eng Cringe!
    Financial the Msft offer is much better. You could take it now and move to Google in a few more years.
    7d 1
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      What about the other way around?
      7d
  • Amazon chdyt728
    MS.
    7d 0
  • Microsoft iVXJ80
    Ms
    7d 0
  • Amazon oyVu40
    Microsoft gives 100k sign on really?
    7d 5
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      Yes. It's the norm apparently.
      What about amazon now?
      7d
    • Microsoft / Eng Cringe!
      It's easy to get a 100 Signon... Of course you won't get that if you come from a no name company and with really low current tc.
      7d
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      My friends got 100 sign on last week as well. Very standard.
      7d
    • Amazon oyVu40
      OP did you get this offer from a hiring event or proper onsite loop with a team?
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    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      Proper onsite.
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  • Spotify dogfoodr
    OP
    I am not in spotify anymore. I am at a small startup, hence paper money for stocks.
    7d 3
    • Groupon desigirl
      may i ask why u left? i just got an offer from
      them
      7d
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      Because i wanted to gain more experience. Also because of location.
      7d
    • Spotify / Other zlsdfioxc
      More than paper money though right? They’re public now
      6d
  • Netflix vUhw26
    Google. Way better brand name
    5d 2
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      Is it easy to go to netflix from google?
      5d
    • Netflix dhgrhsb
      All depends on the individuals, but I am pretty happy working with colleagues from google.
      4d
  • Google / Eng
    grx

    Google Eng

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    BIO
    14 yoe engineer in tech
    grxmore
    Google. Their yearly refreshers are far more
    7d 2
    • VMware TechMann
      How much?
      7d
    • Google / Eng
      grx

      Google Eng

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      Microsoft
      BIO
      14 yoe engineer in tech
      grxmore
      Averagely 50k more. Plus it increases lot more as you grow.
      Google bonus also higher thn msft.
      Engineering also much better.
      7d
  • Netflix dhgrhsb
    Google. Money is not everything in early and mid career. Experience at the best of Silicon Valley is invaluable one.
    6d 1
    • Google / Eng sadnoogler
      I got lowballed by G and only found out after the fact. I can't trust this company.
      5d
  • Pandora / Other
    Western

    Pandora Other

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    Westernmore
    What’s the obligation you have to stay to not payback your 100k?
    6d 1
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      Just rest and vest i suppose
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  • Microsoft ofjdnn
    Why not just ask Google to match MS offer?
    7d 1
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      OP
      I think i messed up Google interview, they dont want to match.
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