Best way to handle a sexist ageist culture?

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missandei

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missandeimore
Jun 13 27 Comments

I work in an organization where people often make inappropriate comments and undermine the value of people who are younger or female. I’ve spoken to peers and they go through the same thing often. The only reaction or remedy we get from HR and leaders is “speak up”. It never gets addressed at the org level. What is the best way to go about remedying this? Or is it a lost hope for those of you who have been in an organization like this where it is about 90% male from director and up unless it’s CSM or something like that.

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TOP 27 Comments
  • SAP Man
    Excuse me, did you just assume their gender?
    Jun 13 2
    • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
      Don't be a dick
      Jun 13
    • SAP Man
      Did you just assume my sex? Bigot.
      Jun 13
  • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
    The only real solution is to work for a company that already takes gender issues seriously. You'll never change a corporation's culture.
    Jun 13 1
    • Exactly. Vote with your motherfucking wallet and leave an anonymous Glassdoor review to blow the fucking roof off.
      Jun 13
  • Amazon broke&dumb
    What are you talking about?
    The tech industry is biased against the old, in favor of the young.
    And the west coast has plunged into extreme political correctness, which is great for the female gendered people.
    Jun 13 2
    • Indeed / Data 4hJNCy
      Is your response to "Does anyone have advice for this bad situation" seriously "Your bad situation doesn't exist"?

      Jesus, man.
      Jun 13
    • In many orgs and old-boy type companies, this isn’t the case apparently. It’s still pretty Mad Men.
      Jun 13
  • Adobe / Eng lemontea
    I feel the same way. The number of senior women is dwindling in my org as there is this barrier from the senior director. I am looking out. HR loves him and in casual conversations whenever I have brought this up, it has only made me look bad. Sigh.
    Jun 13 3
    • Adobe FItD83
      Non-white or Indian males have no chance of advancement at Adobe - and HR doesn't give a shit - time to leave
      Jun 14
    • Adobe creatclimb
      I recently left and in my exit interview shared several specific, documented instances of racist and sexist behavior in Ops staff meetings (which were flagged to my manager at the time they happened) and fewer fucks could not possible have been given by HR in their response.
      Jun 14
    • Adobe / Eng lemontea
      I am a woman and not Indian.
      Jun 14
  • Indeed / Data 4hJNCy
    With the caveat that everything I say is being said as a cis-gendered white male and should therefore be taken with a grain of salt:

    I'm not sure there's anything any single person can do to change their company's culture in such a significant way. The patterns of power and exploitation are deeply woven into the fabric of society, and that goes beyond any one company or even industry. The best any of the exploited can do is survive, and the best any of their allies can do is advocate and organize for positive change.

    Your best bet at your current company is probably to band together with your coworkers and make it known to HR that their current laissez-faire attitude is no longer acceptable, and further inaction will lead to increased turnover or worse. Consider unionizing too. Both options open you up to potentially severe backlash though, hence my view that trying to change things "from the inside" is a losing proposition anyway.

    Aside from that? Find a company that doesn't discriminate against its employees that way, get involved in political activism, and so on. This is more of a cultural problem than anything else, so radical cultural change is necessary to fix it.
    Jun 13 3
    • SAP Man
      This was written by a straight white guy, disregard everything in his post.
      Jun 13
    • Indeed / Data 4hJNCy
      Heya, I get that you're trolling and that's fine, you do you. You'll come around eventually!
      Jun 13
    • Netflix / Eng predatious
      I love it when someone immediately apologize for being cisgendered white men. I call the pussies and ignore the rest.
      Grow some balls and some brain for gods sake
      Jun 16
  • People making inappropriate comments about younger women seem to be like a big deal. Does HR have an anonymous hotline or something?

    Most likely you can’t change the perceptions of management — they’ve been doing this so long and they won’t change. The most that’ll happen is they won’t do it publicly, but if you really want growth and advancement, best vote with your wallet.
    Jun 13 0
  • Facebook public2
    Sounds like you work on earth, sorry to hear.
    Jun 13 2
    • So what are you saying? Is it okay for org leaders to make disparaging remarks about young women, or should we hold leaders accountable and try to improve the culture?
      Jun 13
    • Facebook public2
      The later through and attempted joke that humans on average appear to be terrible people.
      Jun 13
  • Netflix / Eng predatious
    What about my org where women make inappropriate comments? Sexist !
    Jun 16 0
  • New / Eng
    Ama B.O

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    Amazon, Google, Facebook
    Ama B.Omore
    Loll another lame commentator on sex and gender rights lolll
    Jun 15 0
  • Tektronix BazzokaGrl
    In the latest South Park video game you shout "Micro Agression!" before punching the person. But we are all adults here so mostly we rerun the conversation in our heads over and over while contemplating how cream isn't the only thing that floats to the top.
    Jun 13 0
  • Lockheed Martin Iusahjbbvc
    Is leaving an option? Value yourself. Too much of this is negative, but as a "young lady" I've left jobs and found better pay and more... I don't even know the proper term, "acceptance" (maybe?). Say it in interviews, "I don't put up with SHIT", it's a thing and you don't have to deal with being treated differently... You can move on. Be an advocate for yourself and you'll be respected don't accept less.
    Jun 13 1
    • Lockheed Martin Iusahjbbvc
      In addition, idk what Adobe is like but I've had the best experiences at companies where there is a larger age difference.
      Jun 13
  • Adobe / Eng grittysj
    @op, could you cite an example of some of the inappropriate comments? Would be helpful to understand if I am naively contributing to the problem.
    Jun 14 0
  • Scotiabank 0xFU
    U grow up
    Jun 13 0