Bill to remove per country green card cap passes house

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  • Netflix / Eng dunkan
    So we only want Indians to immigrate from now on? Screw all other nations? Fair
    Jul 11 12
    • Netflix / Eng dunkan
      Indians folks think highly skilled means Indians folks and only Indian folks.
      Jul 11
    • TuneIn WsvF24
      Recursion ^^^
      Jul 11
    • Axtria DesiLaunda
      What Indian folks think doesn't matter. What matters is how the USCIS views as highly skilled.
      Jul 11
    • Facebook public2
      Its not either or, you want both hence some of each.
      Jul 11
    • Uber ndada
      I’d honestly rather believe y’all are racist shits who read the bill and choose to ignore what it actually says.. than actually ignorant of the content of the bill..
      But just FYI the bill just says Slovenian nurses just get in line same as anyone else now, and Indians who applied a decade ago have a chance same as Slovenian nurses
      Jul 11
  • Apple
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    It will be killed in the Senate thankfully
    Jul 11 4
    • Airbnb NotAnAlly
      I really hope so. Kill it with fire.
      Jul 11
    • Google jORa67
      Fucking Dems need to start caring America rather than everyone else. Jesus Christ no wonder Trump won.
      Jul 11
    • Google jhgb
      I'm with you I hate trumptards but this bill makes no sense
      Jul 11
    • Uber ndada
      I’m hoping Mitch will pull it through for the sweet sweet SV money :)
      Jul 11
  • Apple tim_c00k
    Get ready for the horde that will flood Silicon Valley
    Jul 11 12
    • Uber tnnb
      And the US is settled by...? Obviously the epic firepower and backup they brought came from somewhere.
      Jul 11
    • New wSdQ41
      Europeans, not limited to the British. Please look up demographics. Plus last I checked, a son is not responsible for the crime of his father
      Jul 11
    • Uber ndada
      Bring on the horde! My team’s hiring
      Jul 11
    • Uber tnnb
      Indeed the son is not responsible for the crime of his father. But if the son is living in a plush estate built upon the robberies of his father and claims that all the goodies are some god given right exclusive to him and descendants of the victim can go cry a river, there is a problem.

      The correct solution is for the son to return some of the ill-gotten gains.
      Jul 11
    • New wSdQ41
      Fair point, however shouldn't it also apply to Kashmir and minorities in India?
      Jul 12
  • Facebook / Product scentport
    Really hope this passes the senate. All the haters on here are a bunch of ignorant Iranian dipshits who are just jealous of what Indians are capable of accomplishing. No concrete arguments, just incendiary and xenophobic comments against the bill.
    Jul 11 7
    • Netflix proctol
      So where are you from?
      Jul 11
    • Facebook / Product scentport
      USA
      Jul 11
    • Google jORa67
      How about you fix your country instead?
      Jul 11
    • Tesla siwndnisb
      He’s not American for sure 😂😂
      That’s the same like Indians think SFO is San Francisco.
      Jul 11
    • Uber ndada
      I hate this weird ‘fuck iranians’ thing ( I have friends) but I can’t honestly think of why American citizens would know or care about this bill
      Jul 11
  • Uber ndada
    I suspect tech salaries are will go up as a big bunch Indian techies start looking for better comp in a couple of years
    Jul 11 9
    • Oracle marriedM
      Wishing to move is done different from demand. Think about it.
      Jul 11
    • Uber ndada
      You tell me: when you want a bump in your comp - do you stay put? Or move to better offers? Are you questioning the fact that lack of job portability suppresses wages in any context? If you are I’d be happy to explain
      Jul 11
    • Oracle marriedM
      Go ahead
      Jul 11
    • Uber ndada
      Ok.. scenario 1: no one can ever leave their job ever. Wages evolve over time with market forces, but as an employer I have no incentive to ever raise wages ever. Why would I? I can lower wages, harass workers and my workers stay put coz they can’t leave
      Scenario 2: not that
      Jul 12
    • Oracle marriedM
      Yes, why would wages increase? Employers tend to reduce costs. If you're over-qualifed, they'll pull your earning potential down. If employers see a glut of applications, they have less of an incentive to update their wages. The hot companies today aren't paying cash/higher base, even if they're benefiting from stock market bubble. Wages increase over time, but they lag inflation. The lag increases, even if specific individual pay goes up, the collective wages will go down. The existing employers only increase wages enough to keep you from leaving. That happens regardless.
      Jul 12
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    I feel extremely sorry for the haters of this bill here. To people who are opposing this bill are actully racist ( educated racist ) or they dont understand that employment based green cards are for high skilled professionals leaving their race, culture, country behind. There is no loss here to America as number of immigrants to get green cards are going to be same. In fact this bill will help them to get more skilled people than shitty asshole getting greencard from other countries just becuase that country doesnt have much high skilled tech ppl.
    Jul 12 5
    • Amazon senat
      No, the people who are opposing the bill are not racist. Also not Iranian. Or any of the other lies spread here about why a majority of people oppose it. That's all a load of bullshit.

      "Consultant" isn't a race.

      I would like to see a solution that gets the good people from India greencards, which are at 40% of the applications.

      Dismissing legitimate concerns about letting in low quality people, and legitimate concerns about the impact of making everyone wait ten years, and calling it racist: that's dishonesty.

      Those who call opposition to the bill racism have no honestly or integrity.
      Jul 12
    • Microsoft / Eng
      jVWl55

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      Smart high skilled people are from all countries ( I am sure India will have high in number since number of tech people it has very high) I agree to solve a problem for a clear line between cheap vs high skilled for h1b to green card conversion but thats another problem altogether to solve and I hope that would come ASAP.
      Jul 12
    • Amazon senat
      About 40% of the people in the India queue are highly skilled people and we should get them greencards without a wait.

      But about 60% of the queue are these low skill meritless consultants and they are actually the reason why there is a problem in the first place.

      Add an amendment to this bill that excludes the consultant and I will be a supporter, but without that, no way. This bill only makes this worse as it stands.
      Jul 12
    • Microsoft / Eng
      jVWl55

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      At the end of the day, supply vs demand in particular skillset define a person’s skill set if it is highly skilled or not :) in that 60% there are people who got niche skillset areas not probably engineering related but deep knowledge in some large enterprise software application area.
      The only easy way to determine that is compensation. 150k + base wages are required for h1b to Gc conversation should be a mandate in my opinion.
      Jul 12
    • Amazon senat
      It's not supply and demand. The consulting companies spammed the h1b lottery with a zillion "skeleton" applications, then filled in the winning tickets when they got the RFE's. Most of them will also sent to school during the RFE process because they weren't actually qualified. Their only qualification was they were willing to work for pennies.

      Then to create room for the next round of spam they filled i140s to remove them from the lottery pool so they could bring in even more minimally skilled workers.

      If it were the result of market forces the highest paid people, namely the qualified ones, would have won much more often. That's the 40% working for real tech companies whether FANG or other like Microsoft or LinkedIn it Dropbox or whatever.

      Next you will tell me that they were just exploiting a loophole created by Congress, but then don't ask for favors from Congress either.

      The fix is to ban the consultants, then all the excellent Indian applications, the 40% actually hired by supply and demand processes, could get greencards. Alternately a points system of some sort could give preference to the people with actual skills. You suggesting of kicking out anyone with comp under 150k would work for tech but bias against other fields, but still better than just passing this bill.
      Jul 12
  • Microsoft
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    I'm an Indian and I do want it to be passed. But at the same time I want the laws to be strict enough that no one from the shitty body shop companies come here. I've worked with a few from HCL etc at Microsoft and they hardly knew anything
    Jul 11 2
    • Samsung
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      chajimogomore
      We had hcl at Symantec Ecom and they were awful. Only a handful on sites were competent and of course they all left hcl
      Jul 11
    • Uber ndada
      At the end of the day the market that hires body shops needs to either acknowledge their value as good developers or stop hiring them
      Jul 11
  • Uber ndada
    The thing is no one is talking about this make believe bill you want. But this particular bill makes life strictly better for that 40% and being against that makes you a fairly shitty person. If you are Iranian or some other non ind ch person you’re benefiting from the status quo and wanting to keep some people very miserable so that you won’t be slightly miserable f$&@ed up
    Jul 12 3
    • Amazon senat
      This is false.

      The bill makes things strictly worse for the United States and strictly worse for people from the rest of the world. Stop with the Iran bullshit, this bill is worse for Japanese, Koreans, Australia, Chileans, Chinese, Canadians, Germans, Egyptians... Every fucking country in the world is made worse off by this bill.

      From an American perspective (me) this bill will lower the quality of immigrant in two ways:

      1. 60% of the Indian backlog are crap spam applications by v Cognizant and other consulting companies, and these applicants are just garbage and only even in the system because of loopholes

      2. It will deter people from countries with high standard of living who won't be desperate enough to wait ten years

      On top of that it doesn't even fix the underlying problem, which is that more i140 get approved every year than there are greencards, so the queue just gets longer.

      The fix is pretty easy though....

      Just cancel all i140 issued for third party employment or for these consulting companies, OR, deny every petition where offered comp is less than 150k, OR create some kind of points system.

      That would get us the good applications in the India queue that we do want and probably eliminate waiting for everyone.

      But without something like that then this bill harms America and harms everyone in the world except Indians and if you are Indian and your still support it even though you know this then you are just spiteful and selfish.
      Jul 12
    • Tesla pogger
      I would say just stop letting these consultancy companies into the country.
      Jul 12
    • Amazon senat
      Absolutely
      Jul 12
  • Uber ndada
    Fingers crossed that Mitch’s Chinese contributors come through on this one
    Jul 11 0
  • Amazon kikik
    Can they enforce it using the TC. Like setting TC threshold for each positions based on the market.
    Jul 11 6
    • Amazon yup!
      Not ever paid. I prefer the guy who earned 300k in one year over the guy who took five years to earn that amount. I also prefer a 30 year old earning 300k over a 50 year old earning the same.
      Jul 11
    • Amazon kikik
      Yes, age should be factored as well. And it should be per year income
      Jul 11
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      You know some company can defer income to next year.
      It's easy to game with.
      Something like weighted total of last N years might be better.
      Jul 11
    • Amazon / Eng togiwiw
      Income based h1bs are unfair to non tech specializations like researchers and healthcare workers. Not everyone makes fang tc.

      They really should assess the applications with more scrutiny which makes it harder for consultancies to spam the system.

      Ideally, cut the issue at its source which is h1b.
      Jul 11
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      Well money is fair. If you earn less, you are loser and US doesn't need you that much.
      Jul 11
  • Samsung
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    chajimogomore
    Good news. Great for ppl who are trying to be here the right way
    Jul 11 0
  • StubHub stackhub
    Allah meharban to gul gule gulistan!
    Jul 11 1
    • Netflix proctol
      Fjdkdk shahs has bla bla ruching bistan gubistan bololololo
      Jul 11
  • Tesla pogger
    have I140 from Tesla and now I changed my job and they are reapplying. What happens if this bill passes and my perm is still in progress?
    Jul 11 2
    • Uber ndada
      Existing i140s remain as they are - only affects new apps
      Jul 11
    • Uber ndada
      New i140 should retain your priority date
      Jul 11
  • Tesla / Eng elontuskk
    This explains everything. They’ve played you again.
    https://youtu.be/qw8J7CPVQj0
    Jul 11 1
    • Uber ndada
      This explains nothing.. he just says this bill that’s been in the works for years and is inherited from the last Congress has not been marked up after being marked up a million times already
      Jul 12

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