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Hopefully the title catches attention...

I believe a enormous problem we face in the US is being "forced" to pick a party. So my question is, as a self proclaimed liberal, or staunch conservative, or devoted Libertarian what is one or a few topics that you think your own party has wrong??

I have no affiliation with any party but could be classified as an independent with conservative economic views and more progressive social views. But probably align more with Republicans than I do Democrats. So I'll start from that angle.....

What Republicans have wrong....And keep in mind this isn't an entire list....

1. Defense spending on offshore bases extending democracy's reach. Simply, we don't need bases everywhere. Protect the domestic soil and get out of fighting age old wars you cannot win.

2. Environment .... I do not see facts to support that global warming is indeed real. But I do see evidence that climate change or at least changes in climate and the overall condition of the Earth, not necessarily from warming are happening. Republican's seem to fail to grasp that not everything done to protect the environment is a liberal wanting to spend money. We only have one Earth and we should be good stewards of it, because it doesn't have an infinite lifetime.

3. Gay rights. As a disclaimer...I think gays should have equal rights everywhere. Period. But..... These are issues that in my own opinion are simply not relevant enough to be voting on as national issues. Gays make up such a small portion of the total population that it's ridiculous that people will not vote for a candidate if they are pro gay or pro choice. Republican's need to stop focusing on these archaic "Christian" values. Any worthwhile "religion" should be promoting love for all. You can disagree with someone being gay, but still choose to respect them as people and citizens with equal rights. And again, it's just not an issue that impacts the "whole" enough for me personally to base a vote on.

4. Ignoring the pay gap....Tons I could go into on this, but to ignore the issue of a shrinking middle class is a HUGE problem that the Republican's dismiss way to often as "hand-outs or helping people who won't help themselves". Spending here needs to be revamped entirely.

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  • Nvidia wagecuck
    Realize half the country doesn’t even vote. Most normies don’t want to discuss politics. This results in 25% of citizens dictating policy for the rest.
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      Agree with your statement, but not seeing this as particularly insightful to the question asked. Although the whole two party system is probably a big reason many don't vote. Nobody wants to be forced into one party.
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    • Google Mr. GIass
      It's even worse than that. The people that decide to show up to vote in the swing states decide the election. Most states vote predictably in the national election, so most voters are irrelevant. If you want your vote to matter, relocate to a swing state.
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    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Not voting is a rational choice for most people. There’s nothing/nobody to vote for who represents poor or regular working people.

      The electoral system isn’t democratic and the two parties care more about Wall Street and the pentagon than anyone who simply voted for them.
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    • Intel / EngWho.Dis
      ^@OP, this is relevant if you want to understand our current political climate. The average American is so distrustful of the government, that people have simply put their hands up and thrown in the towel.

      This is why the loudest activist groups are the small minority with extreme viewpoints. The average level headed person knows that Washington won’t respond, so they stop participating. Nowadays, Washington’s only duty to be re-elected is to respond to the extreme viewpoints who do participate.

      Average American != Average voter
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  • Pandora scrolllock
    Democrats, as in the politicians, not the voters...

    ... are too tepid, especially on the economy. Republicans pander with lower taxes. Democrats do... what? AOC at least has a clear and compelling message, even if you disagree: I’m going to tax the FUCK out of rich people and corporations. Cool.

    ... can’t align, on message or voting or on who to support. Republicans fall in line and work in lock step. It’s the only reason Trump won.

    ... eat their own and fall on their sword. Democrats call on Franken to resign, and he does, while Republicans would run a pedophile if he has the highest chance of winning.
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    • Apple MadQueen
      This.
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      Love the passion but these are seemingly generalizations. Especially the blanket statement that Republicans would run a pedophile if he could win. I realize you probably don't believe that, least I hope not! But this is kind of my point to all of this....(and I'm not trying to pick on you) But that there are such ties to the party that we think all Republicans or all Democrats are this or that. Another example, is the Tea Party or alt right. I don't think Democrats have as strong examples of party splits as this.

      But my question was wanting to hear about if there are specific platform stances that you disagree with? Probably should have worded it better.
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    • Pandora scrolllock
      They ran Roy Moore, whom to be fair is an *alleged* pedophile. Of course the Democrats gave us Weiner.

      Democrats have splits between the latest incarnations/neoliberals and the newer “democratic socialist” Bernie/AOC crowd. To a much smaller extent there are actual Leftists, and there are possibly a dozen honest to god communists.
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    • Pandora scrolllock
      I specifically disagree with platform stances where corporations/capitalism/the market is largely incompatible with real solutions. Solving healthcare through the ACA was a half-measure in this respect. Solving environment problems through corporate incentives or taxes, same. Some things you just have to say “no” to.

      Everyone also seems to be soft on accountability for the military, police, and other institutions of force. If you love the vets, give them free, quality healthcare, housing, and education. If you love the police, then hire more, pay them well, and train them extensively. Then hold them all to the highest standards.
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  • Apple MadQueen
    #2 from your list:

    What do you mean that you don’t see evidence for global warming but believe climate change is real!?
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    • Microsoft pJcW86
      I guess that means humans can change the weather but not a big enough impact and the changes in weather right now is a "coincidence"?
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      OP
      Just that I'm not seeing hard evidence that the Earth is getting warmer due to humans. But I do believe that we can change(damage) the Earth with not being good stewards of it.

      Maybe, I shouldn't have said "climate change" as it seems to be distracting from the point.
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    • Infor / Financemloo04
      There have been some recent studies that have been published that have pretty damning revelations for the animal population as well as carbon dioxide PPM. Have you seen these?
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      I am not sure? Maybe not?

      But again, I specifically am talking about global warming. Also keep in mind, I'm of the belief that Republican's need to open their minds and stop focusing on that exact term. Taking care of the planet we live should be something everyone agrees on.
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    • Apple MadQueen
      If you think global warming and climate change are the not the same issue, then that’s a problem in itself
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      OP
      Global warming is a subset of climate change. So it's technically not the same issue.

      It is curious to me that would be your response , assuming you've read anything that I have typed.
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    • Apple MadQueen
      A net increase in temperature IS THE REASON FOR CLIMATE CHANGE.
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      OP
      I see what is happening now and tried to edit my OP to avoid it.

      I didn't mean climate change in it's exact textbook definition. Which has changed or interpreted differently constantly btw. Maybe I should have clarified it as environmental impact. That includes more than just climate, but this doesn't change the point in any way.

      My question to you is why are you keying in on that part of what I said?
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    • Intel / EngWho.Dis
      ^Because you’re ignoring the reports from our own government and the UN?
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      OP
      Far from the truth. But I've read plenty of good arguments saying that it isn't what some make it out to be.

      But my point, which for some reason a few of you are not willing or able to grasp, is that I AM FOR the govt to take measures to limit things that harm the environment and that Republicans specifically need to open their eyes and minds on these topics. So not sure why we are arguing this point?
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  • Microsoft hümänkïnd
    The US political system has been hijacked a long time ago by corporate money and special interest groups. Globally, oligarchs are taking over and use public resources for private benefits. This is not new, it is just reaching its final stage. Sort of modern feudal system. More subtle though.
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      OP
      I tend to agree with you. Sad state of affairs for sure.

      Did you have any specific items that you disagree with with whichever party you are affiliated with?
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    • Microsoft hümänkïnd
      Not affiliated with any party. Never has been. Never will be.
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  • Apple / EngkGUv48
    I vote Democrat but I think they are too conservative when it comes to immigrant rights, abortion rights, and gay rights, and regulations businesses. (As in, I think they should be more liberal than they already are). But I think they should be more conservative when it comes to helping the poor via spending on the poor. Instead help the poor by regulating businesses and improving wages.
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      OP
      What would be an example you'd like to see in regards to Dems being more liberal in gay rights, abortion and regulations on business?
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    • Apple / EngkGUv48
      For example,to me: passing a gay equality amendment is super important. Passing an unlimited access to abortions amendment is super important. Passing an amendment saying that governments or businesses aren’t allowed to discriminate based on place of birth is super important. Also, But to the Dems, they don’t seem to care about these things much if at all.
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  • Amazon CiJN18
    As a liberal I think sometimes we’re a little too willing to try to solve problems by throwing money at them. Like, there are some places where we do need to spend money and help people out (especially education) but we have to choose our battles and accept that some problems are probably intractable.

    Overall I think there’s places with common ground. But most of the time people are talking about each other instead of with each other. Any Internet forum (especially anonymous ones) are too full of loud people trying to score points for their to be a real conversation.

    P.S. I bet this thread turns into shouting and name calling; would love to be wrong about this.
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      OP
      Excellent points. And I could not agree more on education. We (the US) are missing HUGE here bc we are so shortsided.

      And I agree with the below as well. I wish I knew what happened to good rational discussion. The ability to disagree passionately, but still buy the person a drink afterwards.
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  • Microsoft pJcW86
    I just vote for whoever is against the party I hate more.

    One big issue with a lot of voters is that they want "the perfect candidate" ie themselves and that doesn't exist unless they get off their lazy ass and run or accept that they need to prioritize what they want.
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  • Facebook public2
    Thanks captain obvious. This is why most people do not vote.
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  • Intel / EngWho.Dis
    The electoral college has taken a dump on the possibility of ever having a system with >4-5 parties.
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