Blind TC numbers

Bloomberg smallbrian
Nov 2 23 Comments

Are the stupidly high numbers we see on blind and levels.fyi based on most people making this much or is it just that a few people on the top make that?

I've been interviewing a bunch lately and have gotten a few offers but most offers don't even come close to the numbers I see on here. Also companies seem extremely unwilling to budge on their offers even with me negotiating

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  • Intuit c9a4b
    People aren’t paid what they’re worth, they’re paid what they’re able to negotiate.
    Nov 2 3
    • Bloomberg smallbrian
      OP
      How do you negotiate with recruiters who are adamant and don't wanna budge without pissing them off and telling them you'll walk away?
      Nov 2
    • Intuit c9a4b
      In my experience, you don’t negotiate with a recruiter. They pass you over to someone in house.

      If they don’t want to budge, you tell them about the other companies you have offers with, and you stick to your word and decline if they can’t meet your expectations.

      It’s all just a dance. Kind of posturing, but your position actually has to be strong for you to follow through. Otherwise you’re bluffing. Which could work out, but no guarantee.
      Nov 2
    • Amazon /dev/list
      It’s better if you don’t have nothing to lose—do 3 rounds of negotiation, first time asking for 30% more than what you want and slowly make your way down. Stock and sign on are always flexible
      Nov 2
  • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
    Do you mean that the companies are offering you less than levels.fyi shows for those *same* companies?

    From what I've seen and heard, the site is accurate for FAANG at least.
    Nov 2 4
    • Bloomberg smallbrian
      OP
      Not less but on the lower end of the spectrum. And the recruiters are pretty adamant about mentioning they believe this to be fair compensation.
      Also for those companies which don't have as much data, I notice they come in significantly below what some people here make
      Nov 2
    • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
      Have you used the multiple offers to play them off each other?
      Nov 2
    • Bloomberg smallbrian
      OP
      Yea I've somewhat tried. Some of the ridiculous answers I've gotten are "we think our stock is very undervalued right now and is gonna show a lot of growth".
      Might also be true but it just feels like an excuse to underpay me
      Nov 3
    • Deliveroo ghdyr65
      Yeah I'm hearing the same thing. Makes no sense, every company thinks that obviously.
      Nov 6
  • Amazon wDaz75
    The site is accurate for FAANG. I didn’t believe it until I got my offer, and even then I thought I got lucky and was probably top of the pay band. Turns out I’m crawling at the bottom of what I could be making here (TC 175K L5)
    Nov 2 5
    • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
      Dang, that Amazon frugality is real. That was my new grad offer at Google
      Nov 2
    • New / Mgmt lHAU26
      I was in the same position about not believing it and took the leap to assume it was when I just negotiated and I hit it pretty much on the button. A little lower but round it or a quarters worth of the stock rising and I’m right what it said it was. Now Blind was a bit higher than levels but not by much
      Nov 2
    • Bloomberg smallbrian
      OP
      175k TC for L5 at Amazon. Isn't that too less for L5?
      Nov 3
    • New / Mgmt lHAU26
      According to Levels you are only about 35k below. Seems almost in-line. Got to remember it’s the average, so someone is going to throw it off. You can grab the data and remove the outliers and see what happens.
      Nov 3
    • Amazon wDaz75
      Yeah, I’m well below the average. Want to know something funny? I actually asked for less because I really was not expecting anything at all. You know, Amazon frugality and all that. The recruiter said, “how does this sound? :) “ with the new numbers and I about fell out of my chair. Turns out I literally (as in it wasn’t possible because it was out of the pay band) could not take much less than what I was reoffered

      I won’t be making this same mistake when I leave to another company
      Nov 3
  • Apple OFF2Y
    Quite accurate for both FAANG n non-FAANG. If u think they are super high, it means you didn’t hit the jackpot yet
    Nov 2 1
    • Bloomberg smallbrian
      OP
      What's also interesting to me is that several people with just 2-4 yoe are in higher positions and getting paid bank. And someone with much more experience coming gets in at a lower position. I understand this would be the case for high performers but there's data like this all over levels.fyi
      Nov 3
  • Uber / Eng rqDs70
    OP give the offer you received, value and companies, then blind can help you decide if your expectations are too high or if the recruiters are lying
    Nov 2 0
  • Cisco
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    Which company did you get offer from? You cant expect to get high TC from shit companies
    Nov 2 0
  • Microsoft manAtArms
    Fake TC news all over in blind !!
    Nov 2 2
    • Apple OFF2Y
      Switch job and verify
      Nov 2
    • Microsoft manAtArms
      Did that already.
      Could u be more gullible?!!!
      Nov 2
  • if the recruiter is an agency recruiter, they’re most likely telling you the truth. if the recruiter is internal, there’s probably many other things at play and for one reason or another, the company has limited the budget to XX for your role. i’d also agree that levels.fyi is pretty accurate for the most part. however, FAANG and other larger chip companies such as Intel, have their hands in multiple domains so it’s challenging to determine if a l5 SWE is working on robots or the back end api feature on the website — where toc for both L5 SWE would be drastically different at the same company.
    Nov 2 0

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