PoliticsSep 14, 2018
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Blue wave isn’t coming

For those who are hoping for a blue wave in 2018 midterms and beyond, it’s unlikely to come. It’s not because of Trump, but it’s because Democratic Party is disintegrating and Trump will profit again by driving wedge issues. It’s unlikely Democrats will win the presidency in 2020 or has majority by 2022. Democratic Party now is more fragmented than ever and has no unifying leader. The ones we have now are more polarizing figures than a unifier. Democrats have failed over time and again to influence their base to turn up in local and state elections, has lost more senate and congressional seats, state governorships. It’s due to their own doing - dems lacked strategy and tactics unlike Republicans who pandered to their base of conservatives and disenfranchised, focused on a long term plan to gain majority in both houses. Rep used this advantage systematically to disrupt and block any policy decisions from executive branch and even challenged legislative branch over the last 2 democratic administrations. When it was time for dem executive branch to go all out war on this crap, they chickened out and essentially stood in as lame duck. Coming back to Democratic Party now -the moderates in party are ostracized, base is further to the left and they lack the understanding that governing is a legislative process and a presidency alone can’t achieve that. All those Bernie Bros and Hillary haters didn’t realize that and fubar’ed 2016. The ones winning dem primaries now have little to no policy and governing experience. These idiots want the old guards like Pelosi gone, yet unwilling to learn or how to strategize and look at bigger picture to be an effective legislative body. For the same reasons It’s unlikely these idiots collectively can work together be a majority in both houses and rewrite the critical policies like universal health care, affordable college, immigration reform. Because any of these laws are hard to reach consensus across the aisle, even if party leader proposes these laws fringe Democrats will vote against common sense consensus bill and would want all shiny things like pathway to citizenship for DACA folk and illegal immigrants, more flexible Agri-working visas etc in an omnibus reform which Republicans won’t allow. I do support most of those causes too, not just because I am liberal because it’s just cause, a realistic approach and more fiscally responsible than spending shit load of money deporting them and building some shitty wall that doesn’t work. But liberals don’t understand this so they always lose focus with all new shiny causes go with the guy who talks rhetoric but has no coherent policy this ostracizes independents and moderate conservatives, further fragments the dem party and gives way for Republicans to win in elections. So call me a cynic, but realistically - I expect 2018 midterm to be more or less same and again a republican presidency in 2020 and a republican majority 2022 midterms.

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Wayfair BigZeroSix Sep 14, 2018

Tl;Dr TC or GTFO

Oracle beEvil Sep 14, 2018

i really dont like Trump, but dont like Dem turning SF to a shithole either. TC 250k

Microsoft VlCX25 Sep 14, 2018

Agreed. I’m disappointed that there is no leadership in the Democratic Party... Becoming fractured at a time when unity is more important.

Airbnb Air/blind Sep 14, 2018

Fuck. TC 500K

Oracle Nitrite Sep 14, 2018

You scared man?

Ipswitch Odie Sep 14, 2018

I feel like we're watching the political parties shift again. The DNC are becoming the party of massive corporations and people with high TCs while the GOP is scooping up the people in the middle of the country with ordinary jobs. Trump just so happens to be reaping the benefits of that change. It's all about timing.

Apple GtCI06 Sep 14, 2018

Which takes me to my next argument: only people with that hasn’t given the opportunity of developing a critical thinking vote and continue voting GOP with their hearts ♥️ which is totally inline with your statement

Ipswitch Odie Sep 14, 2018

What?

Microsoft Tier 1 Sep 14, 2018

The Republican Party is either going to split or the Libertarian Party is going to become the other major party.

Apple 🍻🍁❤️🤪g OP Sep 14, 2018

Sorry bud, Paul/Lieberman ticket isn’t coming. Ever.

Google Vdzlw Sep 14, 2018

Meh. Paul had 1/3 of 2012 primary. Most young people who are right leaning are actually libertarian. And even a subset of the Bernie crowd might identify as leaning libertarian.

Agilysys cUSh23 Sep 14, 2018

I agree with your conclusion that there's no blue wave coming (and Trump will win re-election in 2020, assuming he's not impeached). Don't agree with your assessment of the Democratic party problems. The biggest problems Democrats have isn't Bernie supporters. The biggest problem Democrats have is Pelosi and all the centrists that you like so much! They have no vision, and are almost as bad as Republicans at every single issue. I'd always support Democrats who want universal health care, a living wage, judicial reform, etc. (even if they don't know how to pay for it)

Google notmetoo2 Sep 14, 2018

I think OP is not far from reality, though. The radicalization of the party is a major factor in alienating a lot of people, including the reasonable people on the left. In regards to the Republican Party, they could be doing a much better job in capitalizing over the incompetence of the Dems. Ocasio is a great example. The bunch of absurd things she says could be extensively used by the Republicans, however just one or two candidates use it effectively.

Apple 🍻🍁❤️🤪g OP Sep 14, 2018

Bernie is a fringe element. He’s that everyone’s grandpa who wants to complain but never had a concrete policy how to get there. Leaving aside paying for those plans, you’d have to reach across the aisle and build a consensus first to draft a policy. He’s never there. Secondly, Bernie is not a democrat he’s an Independent. Where was he in 2014 midterms and before that? As a senator didn’t he knew legislative body is responsible for policy why didn’t he work rally for the causes and ally with democrats to get them the majority to pass those idea that are so near and dear to him. Where’s his voting record on those. I’d like to think he only ran his presidential campaign to move party and Hillary from a no good middle of the road to further left. By the time he suspended his campaign rhetoric was too negative, Democratic base was disenfranchised from Hillary.

World Wide Technology BigDan@wwt Sep 14, 2018

Was this supposed to be pointing out something bad? MAGA!

Agilysys cUSh23 Sep 14, 2018

Trump didn't win because Bernie fucked