Edit: adding poll question.
What would happen if you and your coworkers decided to walk out in protest against a company policy or decision?
Big kudos to all the employees of Google for standing up for what’s right. Takes a lot of courage to do what you did and it takes a lot of humility for the company to own up to it.
We could use a lot more humility and courage in many other industries, especially banking!!!
This shouldn’t be limited to sexual-harassment. This should be addressed at all levels regardless of the type of harassment we experience.
Edit: adding poll question.
- Twitter 0nMyWayHow do you “coerce” a girl to come up into your hotel and room and give you a blowjob? She was obviously a willing participant. If not, then in 2013 she would have filed a police report and cried rape at the time of the incident.
- Oath BootleggerYou mean bravo Googlers? Google hasn’t done enough to address the issue to deserve a bravo yet.
- What? You’re giving credit where credit isn’t due. Google can’t retaliate against 20,000 people without further damaging their brand. That’s why they’re not doing it. That’s the power of organized labor: it is organized to the point that the company is unable to functionally combat it. It has nothing to do with google culture at this point.Nov 4, 2018 5
- sincere question: assuming Google (or any company) had handled Rubin episode flawlessly -- what exactly would that look like? ie what exactly does it mean for Google "to address this issue" -- please share playbook.
- Square xYDF35It wasn’t a reward from day 1.
That executive got a big equity grant that year because the CEO felt that he hadn’t been adequately compensated for his contributions leading Android. That equity was not vested when the allegations of sexual harassment came out. He wasn’t entitled to anything.
Google wanted to make the problem go away - quietly. So they negotiated with the guilty party, and he got X percent of his un vested equity. It was totally discretionary on google’s part.
- New / Eng ////Protesters demands are absurd. Google is publicly trading evil corp, not Social Gathering for Snoflakes non-profit.
However, HR needs to come up with clearly stated rules about what happens if boss fcks anybody below in the corporate hierarchy and add that to standard contract(s).Nov 2, 2018 3
- New bean-canactually the problem was already 'away' as it was first reported a year after fact and no pressing circumstances otherwise. maybe some believe the dirty laundry should be aired at expense of those involved and company to provide them platform for virtue signaling and to share in collective victim-source. it seems just as reasonable to keep matter private.
yeah they could have taken away all the equity. they could do that regardless at any time. but android would still exist and be immense value to Google ... and still face question of fairly compensating the man who invented and built this success. or is all that negated entirely because he wanted bj when he thought he was still in consensual affair that just ended without warning?
I have to laugh that not once not anywhere is there any acknowledgement of 60m penalty (and forced out of jiob). even if argument is same (he deserves less/zero), it would seem any reasonable analysis would consider this factor explicitly before conclusion that inadequate).
- 1. How would having a CDO report to CEO change anything when companies have the CHRO reporting to CEO already.
2. I endorse all other recommendations by googlers
3. I would add a clear clawback for all situations of proven sexual misconduct against employees - men or women (hardly any women do this now but it may change if more women come in power as sexual harassment at work is more about power than just lust).
Wonder why these top bosses never are gay...would help with getting both men and women to rally for the cause...sorry, just kidding.
- I don’t know why its so hard to understand that there can’t be consensual sex between a boss and subordinate. Many priests and pedohiles who abuse kids think it was consensual and something ‘special’. It’s not. If a woman wants to have sex with her boss and vice versa, she should offer to the boss to quit her job or that he quits his job and then they go about whatever they want.
- @max9chars, im not white for what its worth (asian origin). He is weak cuz he just bends over to PC and sjw. Its about time they put a qualified person in charge of google. Your reasoning and assumptions fall perfectly in line with that of stereotypical libtards. I know you guys get butthurt when other ppl dont view the world like you, but others are entitled to their opinion regarding whether someone is a good leader or not regardless of what they look like.Nov 2, 2018 12
- uh does everyone agree / acknowledge that the reported coercion attempt in hotel room marked the end of consensual affair between the two (as reported nyt). previous oral good, final oral request bad (as reported to employer one year post). seems like a fine line bt gf and victim. lesson : you better fucking not ask for head if you are a man. one year later get call into hr for proper thrashing.
- yeah rape is fucked but I do not think it is being alleged. if the couples business must be nyt and company announced etc, something more than ambiguous code word games is needed for clarity as first order of business. did not realize she was direct report though believe he was out of android at time of hotel (not certain). so when Google found out, they fired him. harsh I think but ok. sounds like they did right thing.Nov 1, 2018 0
- Nvidia zVEC05When did they walk out over DeMore’s wrongful termination? Oh right...
- Apple vErx86Everyone who was saying that Damore’s firing was wrongful for speaking his mind: you are fucked in the head. Thinking he had a right to say those things and not get fired for it should make you stop and reconsider your outlook on life.
- It doesn’t matter whether the science was correct. That’s not why he was fired. If he wrote a memo with the opposite conclusion, with no scientific citations, do you think he would be fired?
James Damore learned the hard way what we all know: there are some opinions that Google will allow you to debate, and some that they will not. And no one really knows exactly where that line is.Nov 5, 2018 1
- Eg, that women can't handle stress. Just picking one of many many examples.
He found a study that showed differences in the way men and women respond to physical discomfort over minutes and then ASSUMED he could use the data to make claims about how men vs women handle emotional stress related to work over weeks and months.
In other words ridiculous nonsense to justify a ridiculous stereotype.Nov 5, 2018 1
- little bit confused by meaning of “diversity”，is it means that each racial should be represented In google? If so, should NBA have a diversity officer to make sure that more Asian player have the chance to play the game? I just don’t know the difference
- Are you comparing objective physical traits like ability to dunk a ball, score points, make assists to getting a job in tech? Are you aware of systemic issues that prevent Asians who want to play basketball from doing so, despite them having the skills and ability? If you do, then I’m all for fighting against it. Do you believe that an average Hispanic woman is biologically unable to do leetcode the same way the 5’6 Indian can’t do a 360 dunk?Nov 3, 2018 4
- Reading Jeremy Lin’s story sure sounds like there was a lot of bias. Is it systemic? Don’t know. On the other hand though my personal opinion is if you want to get a CS degree (if you don’t have a CS degree it’s hard to get a CS job for anyone so I say degree here instead of job), there isn’t anything stopping a driven individual. We all have hurdles, but none that are hard barriers.
- Driven individuals don’t exist in vacuums nor do they operate in one. Yes, there are individual struggles and challenges, but there are others that only certain classes of people experience (this is very country/culture specific) just because they fall into that class. You might disagree with how the companies go about tackling this or maybe it’s something only government should be concerned about, but how can you malign the fact that people/companies are concerned about it?
- What I was trying to say with that is that everyone has hurdles but that none of them are game changers if you put effort and work toward getting a CS degree. Can it be harder for some people? Of course, the literature is abundant that your parents’ socioeconomic status is the main factor in predicting education success (I.e. probably less hurdles) not your race or gender. In fact, regarding gender, there is a bias toward women to get on tenure track (some Harvard study, don’t remember author) as well as the Bickel et al paper from the 70s that showed women had higher acceptance for graduate school in Berkeley (I know the paper is old but I imagine there was more sexism back then than now so the numbers should still be fairly convincing).
I realize people/companies are well intentioned as am I. I dislike how they go about achieving “diversity”—aiming for parity in superficial traits. It’s not like all black women are the same, and then there are plenty of other superficial characteristics that also could be considered eg last I checked taller people are promoted faster, same with better looking people. I’m sure there’s a diff between fat/skinny people too. You can continue to fractionate to the extreme down to the individual... instead diversity of thought is what is important.
- Let me cite an example and please comment on who was the victim and who was the perpetrator -
A boss asks his female reporter to go out with him to discuss what might seem like weakness in her upcoming promotion. Later in the evening boss gets touchy with the reportee and the reportee doesn't complain that day. (Why? Maybe because she wanted the promotion badly). But anyways, after the dinner date the boss asks the reportee to come meet his pet at his house. Again the reportee would have said No on any other day but that day she pushed herself and played along. Now the boss has got the balls to ask her to stay over as it's too late. Again the reportee plays along for her promotion. The boss now slips off his trousers and asks a bj, and the reportee agrees not only for bj but much more. Next week she gets promoted. She is happy now, invited her boss in the party of her promotion too. Two years later a #meToo movement starts and she gets filmy. All of a sudden she realizes her boss was a perpetrator. A villain. And files a sexual harassment case against him. The whole world favors her. The boss was sincere, hardworking, damn intelligent, but all this could not save his job now. The boss's career is irreversibly destroyed now. However the lady now knows her way up. She gets a fast promotion in next 2 years again.
- A manager asking a BJ is against the law. Every manager has a legal obligation to report any sexual harassment. Failure to do so can lead to termination.
- More: https://www.doraziopeterson.com/2015/08/03/yes-expecting-sex-in-exchange-for-employment-is-illegal
>Quid pro quo harassment issues typically arise in one of three settings. 1) As with the Subway situation, a manager or owner propositions a prospective employee, suggesting that if the employee engages in a relationship the job will be hers; 2) A manager suggests to an existing employee that if she were to engage in a relationship she may be in line for a promotion; or 3) A co-worker engages in a consensual sexual relationship with his supervisor. When he attempts to break off the relationship she makes it clear in no uncertain terms that if he wants to keep his job he needs to continue the relationship.
In each of these examples the employer (or manager) in a position of authority is attempting to use that authority towards obtaining unwanted physical relations.
- Google dot415When does a company draw the line between leading, and simply acquiescing to random demands of leftist employees, and their knee jerk reactions?
- Hazelcut NfTn03I'll say this. Harrasment is never okay, but the only news I hear out of Google these days is about social issues. You know a company has plateaued when innovation and building new technology is no longer top priority. Same reason why Bezos is eating everybody's lunch right now. Because it's always Day 1.