One of the many arguments against HR1044 is that the India GC queue is mostly filled with "low merit" applicants from Indian consultancies that pay far lower salaries and import low skilled Indian tech workers into US. Did some digging to come up with the following 2 data snapshots about GC filings in 2019. The source of data is mentioned in the respective captions. The first one shows GC applications from India have the third highest average salary after Canada and UK. The second snapshot is even more compelling. TCS, one of the disliked Indian consultancies (the T in the infamous WITCH acronym) has the fourth highest average salary offer, bested only by Facebook, Google, and Apple. TCS beats the likes of Microsoft, Intel, Amazon, and Oracle pretty comfortably. What do you think of this data, Blind community, and how does this influence your argument against HR1044?
Thanks to @Acker from Amazon for pointing me to the data source.
Thanks for using irrelevant 2019 numbers that include farm labor...
You mean farm labor numbers are driving India's position/TCS position up, or others positions down? Do you realize that either ways it reinforces my argument? π
Youβll just drum up anti immigrant rhetoric here.. the less you talk and the more you do something about the bill, the better.
I've definitely noticed that people who are against the bill use cherry-picked data (eg. Showing some random past year instead of the latest data, or creating charts without providing any methodology of where the numbers came from).
2019 is a cherry picked year. It is the only year in the data where Trump's crackdown on the consulting firms was in full effect. Pick any other year from 2010 to 2018, namely the years the backlog grew. Here's 2017:
You are correct. The comparison is between the top sponsors. It's way easier to obtain higher average on fewer applications, so it's only fair that we first filter based on the number of applications
I don't disagree. I know S386 is never gonna pass Senate. But doesn't affect me much, I m pretty mobile and won't mind moving back to India.
2019 is after Trump's America first crackdown. Try 2016 i140 petitions, the backlog of from 2009 to present, not 2019. And the claim ISN'T that no Indians have merit but that the consultants dominate the queue. Here's the actual data, for a typical year.
Lol OP is a bright one
Which year is this for. Why show old data with you have latest data. Do you think the old i140s are still relevant? Is your TC the same as your TC in 2016? Moreover assuming your data is 2016, Amazon is still one of the sh*tiest payers 3 years down while the likes of TCS has made huge improvements.
This is the CATO paper I was referring to: https://www.cato.org/blog/higher-paid-immigrants-forced-wait-longer-due-country-limits
Redo the calculation with like for like comparisons, namely, comparing similar job categories. The main problem with that analysis is that it included farm employment which really skews the data, particular for Mexico, Vietnam, etc. We can argue the merits of the set aside in the legislation for farm workers but it's really not appropriate to include it in a comparison of the India queue which is mostly software engineers who aren't eligible for the farm visas. I'm all for removing that weird farm labor part of the legislation, it's kind of silly, but hr1044 doesn't remove it from the legislation either so....
You know that that is sneaky representation. You can have an exam better than the class average, but it certainly doesn't mean you have the highest score. Bucketing R.O.W into one average is how David Bier the so-called "analyst" tries to represent India as highest paid immigrants.
Do something more useful with your time like actually work towards the bill.
OP didn't realize each year page was showing only that years petitions and didn't understand his 2019 data is only for post Trump 2019 petitions when in reality the priority date for India is 2009... Hilarious! Thread will be deleted in 3, 2, 1...
Yes, hard evidence that calls your bluff is very difficult to accept. I understand. OP (me) is much well conversant with GC rules than you can imagine. So yes, please take me on with logic, let's see where we land. May be I will learn something new from you and improve my knowledge. Just explained in a previous post why only 2019 data matters. That post was in English btw.
In general, unless you Amazon folks are citizens, learn a little more about the GC filling process, especially about the i140 refiling. Don't feel embarrassed - we all make mistakes. Just make sure next time when you post, you actually know what you are talking about
Dude, why do you bring up this topic on blind. Are you friggin nuts? Do you really think youβre going to convert those against the bill? Do something useful like joining a community that is actually trying to get it passed instead of useless research that organisations like CATO have already done a long time ago.
I do not care much about the passage of the bill. However it is important that spread of misinformation is prevented. I had no idea that such data exists. Instead of uncivil and berating debates, I think data driven objective debates are more beneficial to the community.
As an experience campaigner, I wish you good luck. All I can do is shake my head at your naΓ―vetΓ©. You are like the Brahmin who went to teach the virtues of vegetarianism to a tiger and became the meal inside it. Pursuing conversations face-to-face with data has some meaning. In this anonymous world of blind, where every anti-immigrantβs worst instincts are stoked, you want to use reason? Lol