Californians: Would you support this Remote Work Law?

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Here are the salient features of the law aimed at addressing the affordability crisis in the Bay Area and the eroding tech middle class:

1) Any white-collar worker who requests to work from home must be allowed to do so by their employer, as long as “home” is located anywhere in California

2) Employers that object to the request must present a thorough “business hardship justification” exemption in front of the California Labor Board

3) The employer may lower the employee’s salary to match the lower cost of living in the alternative California locale, and the employee can either accept the lower salary, or cancel the request to work from home

4) Once designated as work-from-home, an employer cannot ask an employee to come to the workplace more than once a week. The only exception to this rule is if there are a series of designated multi-team meetings that necessitate more than one day for face-to-face collaboration. The employer must also bear all costs of transporting the employee, and providing them with room and board. The employer also cannot force the employee to drive – the employer must either fly the employee in, or let the employee take a taxi.

5) Employees who are interviewing for a new position with a new employer can request that their role be designated as “work-from-home”. At this point in time, the employer can ask for the prospective employee’s home location, and appropriately adjust the salary commensurate with that location’s cost of living.

6) Companies with less than 20 employees are exempt from this law but can still take advantage of it, if they choose

7) As an added incentive, employers who hire work-from-home employees will also receive tax breaks as follows:
a. The difference between the unemployment rate in the work-from-home county and the employer’s main headquarters in California will be offered as a tax break
b. The amount of the tax break will be calculated as follows: average differential between HQ and employee’s home county for the fiscal year.

8) Example of (7). Assume 3 employees for Company A are designated as remote, and that Company Alpha is located in San Mateo County with a 2.8% unemployment rate. Employee 1 is located in Orange County with a 3.7% unemployment rate, Employee 2 is located in Santa Barbara County with a 4.7% unemployment rate, and Employee 3 is located in San Diego with a 4.3%. The differentials for all 3 remote employees between their home counties and headquarters would be 0.9%, 1.9%, and 1.5% respectively, which on average come out to 1.43%. Therefore, Company Alpha can expect a tax break of 1.43% for their fiscal year. Please note: if the work-from home employee lives in a County with a lower unemployment rate than HQ, then that differential will not be included in the calculations and will be considered a zero differential.

9) To make use of the tax break, at least 25% of the company’s Californian employees must be designated as work-from-home.

10) This law only applies to white-collar workers. The definition of a white-collar worker means any “knowledge worker” who performs the majority of his/her work in front of a computer or smartphone.

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  • Amazon / Eng onMyWay
    Why can’t we just let employers do their thing, and let employees do their thing. Why must everything be routed through some regulation.
    Jul 29, 2018 15
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      @Lyft - do you even understand English? I take it you’re not American. Who says I’m advocating for luxury style large scale housing? I’m advocating for new single-family home developments to be built outside of the big area so that middle tier tech workers can contribute to the tech industry well not facing brutal commute or living in a cramped one bedroom condo. I’m going to guess you’re Chinese and that you’re used to living in these kinds of conditions. Just like Silicon Valley semi conductor companies try and force as much processing power as they can on a chip, you like to force as many tech employees onto crammed piece of land just so that you can justify your position to your superiors. I bet you like all your employees to come into the office every day at 8 AM and leave at 7 PM, working in their highly disruptive open floor plan cubicles like little mice.
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Lyft pl8hc7
      Your demands are luxuries since they make housing very expensive. Just because you don't understand economics doesn't make your demands any less of a luxury.
      Learn basic economics before making ridiculous propositions.
      I'll support your law just to teach you a lesson in economics, its not going to make any difference even in one person's life. there's a huge knowledge bridge to gap before you can understand this. meanwhile enjoy paying $4000 for a one bedroom. I hope this serves a reccurring incentive to expand your knowledge.
      Jul 29, 2018
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      Explain how my demands are luxuries. Say 10,000 middle class tech workers left the bay area for other locales like central coast, Humboldt County, Fresno, orange county, San Diego, Los Angeles, etc. those 10,000 spaces could now be occupied by blue-collar workers who would now pay a lower rent. How does that make housing more expensive in the bay area?
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Lyft pl8hc7
      You forbid construction at scale thus force conditions where $4000 rents a one bedroom apartment. Few people can afford that, which makes it a luxury.
      Do you elementary school English?
      The rest of your proposal, that wfh thingy, that has zero effect, not one apartment will become cheaper anywhere. learn economics.
      I'm not a special ed teacher, find someone else to tend to your ignorance. adios. TC=400k
      Jul 30, 2018
    • Google crymry
      When I no longered liked the arrangement at my priveleged FANG job, I left. Was a privilege and not a right, after all
      Nov 10, 2018
  • Yelp overmind
    The 'affordability crisis' is due to a lack of supply. Build a bunch of huge apartments just like any other functional city. It's so dumb to have a city with only single family or 2 story homes just because it looks pretty.
    I think other things should be mandated before wfh like paternity leave and more PTO, like other countries.
    Jul 29, 2018 6
    • Oracle Chesapeake
      Recognize the problem, but I agree with @overmind on this. If workers are required to solve the problems this way, cities won't have any incentive to add housing proprtional to number of jobs, nor will employers pay appropriate to their location. It's like everyone would throw the balls over the fence all the time.

      Good discussion to have!
      Jul 29, 2018
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      I don’t understand your rebuttal Chesapeake. The problem to be area is facing is that it is pretty saturated. Yes, we can add more housing, but who wants to live in cramped 20 foot story condos like Hong Kong? Why don’t we build single-family homes in California where the population is sparse? It would help those locals gain a boost in property values, our kids would mingle with their kids and through osmosis transfer our tech know how and benefit those populations, and second-tier tech workers like myself could enjoy a good quality of life and no crushing commute.
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Lyft pl8hc7
      Let X be the comment above, listing all the goodies in limited supply.
      The cost of X is $4000/mon for one bedroom.
      If you think that's still worth it, that's fine. It's a difference in taste, some people buy expensive clothes and some shop at van heusen.
      So you don't like seeing ugly 20 story buildings? Ok that'll be $4000.
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Oracle Chesapeake
      Your proposal would work, but it would allow more of the same to continue at the city and employer level - with no onus on them at all. Cities want employers to set up large campuses but don't want to worry about housing. Instead of creating pockets of high density employers, why not spread them around or create better public transport or pay employees the average market rate? No, that's hard, and who cares when they can explain away things and maintain status quo? Unfortunately, our time may have passed already and for sure our kids won't live here. The FAANG TC disparity would go away one way or another by the next decade. And like someone else said, going forward, with such laws, employers might offshore work or higher cheaper, younger workers instead of hiring you or me. Hence, my objection to turning common sense into laws for the loopholes or side-effects they create. People and small-businesses (restaurants, shops, malls) are solving this on their own anyway and moving to East Bay or TX or SoCal or Minnesota. Let that exodus teach us a lesson.
      Jul 29, 2018
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      But Chesapeake, that Exodus is not teaching a lesson. The FAANG companies are just consolidating their power and wiping away the second tier companies. We need competition in this economy, not an oligopoly. If more disillusioned second-tier tech workers like you and I leave California, or leave the industry, it only helps the FAANG even more. The government has always stepped in to prevent monopolies and oligopolies from forming. Why can’t they step in and do something about it through this common sense law?
      Jul 29, 2018
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    I want a law which makes it mandatory for employers to provide a quiet environment at work. I go to work when I don’t have to work 😐.
    Jul 29, 2018 0
  • Amazon gemalto
    Superficially, this is appealing to employees as it's a pretty one sided deal. But I agree with many others here. Don't force companies to do this. If this is the proposal to alleviate high home prices, it's not a good one. If you can't afford to live somewhere, negotiate more TC or move somewhere else.
    Jul 29, 2018 6
    • Amazon gemalto
      Bro you probably make more than me so thanks but no thanks on your privilege comment. I'm speaking from common sense. If you can't afford to eat at expensive restaurants, then don't. If you can't afford to live in an expensive city, then don't.
      Jul 29, 2018
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      Gemalto - you live in Seattle which is far less expensive than the bay area. Your home price:income ratio is far lower than those of us in Bay Area. My Tc at my last job was 250k and I have 12 yrs exp in product marketing. People in your company make a lot more than me while younger than me.
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Amazon gemalto
      My position stands regardless of locale. I would never choose to live somewhere I couldn't afford.
      Jul 29, 2018
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      You make it sound like people have a choice where they work. Not all locations offer the same category of jobs. We are not all engineers. There’s a whole bunch of tech workers in business related occupations. If tech really wants to spread the wealth around, then why not let these people who are basically second class text citizens, work remotely out of less expensive areas in California? It’s a benefit for everyone.
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Amazon gemalto
      See my above comment.
      Jul 30, 2018
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    I am surprised at the level of privilege shown by FAANG employees in this thread. “Find another job that allows remote“, “just move elsewhere if it’s too expensive“, “will it affect my own home price“ are just the sort of selfish comments I expected. Let me outline the problem statement more succintly:
    1) there’s a vast range of second-tier tech workers that make perhaps 200 K TC that can’t afford to buy a single-family home near where they work and have to endure crushing commute times from the East Bay if they want to make that a reality.
    2) and so they go into work every day, earning money that they can never hope to spend on a single-family home. Why not buy a town home or condo you say? Is that what the American dream has come to? To earn this kind of money and spend it on living in a cramped space, and still pay a lot of money for it?
    3) blue-collar workers suffer even more, either commuting from places like Stockton, or leaving the state altogether.
    4) The only reason managers require most of their employees to come into work is to satisfy their egos. I understand that and some professions like product management and engineering, you need more frequent in person interaction. But in other professions like product marketing, operations, HR, sales, the vast majority of work can be done remotely, and we don’t earn anywhere near what engineers earn. This law would introduce efficiency into work, alleviate traffic, and allow more people to live a middle-class lifestyle.
    Jul 29, 2018 8
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      Working at a political shit company like Intuit is what creates imbeciles like you. 200 K is not enough to survive in the bay area. My proposed law would make sure that those folks getting paid 200 K would take a slight pay cut, but in return moved to a much cheaper locale in California where they can have a better quality of life, and no traffic. I bet you are useless middle manager who loves holding pointless meetings to show the size of your org chart to your bosses.
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Intuit zapt
      Lol. Maybe you should use Mint to manage your finances dumbass. Most people in Bay Area make nowhere near $200k so please stop insulting them by saying it's not enough. You're not entitled to buy a house. That's not a valid arguement.

      P.S. I'm an IC eng who came from a minimum wage household of immigrants. So shut the fuck up you entitled piece of shit.
      Jul 29, 2018
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      Zapt - you seem to be one of the crappy immigrants that we let in and flew under the radar. Instead of realizing that my proposed law would help blue-collar workers, and middle-class second-tier tech workers, you choose to rail against me because you’re Third World mindset hasn’t changed. This country was created by revolutionaries who railed against a totalitarian regime. We are seeing something similar built before us in a more subtle way. But a moron like you would never understand. Keep jumping into your car and spending two hours on the freeway you stupid automaton
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Intuit zapt
      Ah the racism comes out too. Wonderful that you're showing your true colors ;)

      My family is more American through and through than you will ever be. My parents came legally (~10year wait to enter), never went on government assistance, and they busted their ass to educate me. During that time they were able to start a small business to get out of poverty. We love the freedom and associated opportunities this country provided, and that's why I think its vile that you're trying to destroy that because you can't fucking budget $200k.
      Jul 29, 2018
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      zapt supports a tech oligarchy where only the privileged few can own houses near where they work in silicon valley or peninsula and the rest have to buy it in fucking Walnut Creek and commute 2 hrs into peninsula. Either that or he supports a lower standard of living like in the third world. He disguises his love for America, but the only thing he loves are the property values of his parents who probably own a house somewhere in San Jose bought in the 80s or 90s.
      Jul 29, 2018
  • Oath cndjv6wo1
    I hate having to work with remote people, it's a pain in the ass and they are never as effective as the people sitting next to you in the office. I am not in favor of encouraging more remote work.
    Jul 29, 2018 2
    • Synack XNwz56
      Yikes. This hasn’t been my experience throughout 4 companies. Do you think it’s just your current company?
      Jul 29, 2018
    • SAS / Eng UkMN34
      Not my experience. Our remote employee is the most productive and effective on our team, so much so that I occasionally wonder if she uses additional hired help (I’m sure she doesn’t just amazes me tho). We do work heavily with multiple regions, however, so it may be that seasoned remote workers are just better prepared for remote collaboration.
      Aug 31, 2018
  • Twitch twitch.tv
    I like WFH option, but I won't vote in favor of the law. An employee and employer can negotiate terms when they are hired. There is no need to have a law. If your employer won't allow wfh, then change your job and find the one that supports wfh option. trust me there are many who allows wfh.
    Jul 29, 2018 1
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      You must not know human nature very well. There aren’t those many remote jobs available, even though practically every job can be done remotely, with occasional in person interaction. Managers require in person employees just to satisfy their ego. In person collaboration is needed maybe once in two weeks or once a month. The greater problem is dealing with the loss of blue-collar workers from California and inability of second-tier tech workers to buy houses in the bay area unless they go all the way out to Walnut Creek or Pleasanton and commute two hours in traffic
      Jul 29, 2018
  • Google srmn
    A better solution is to convince job search sites to include "work from home possible" as a metric for employer ratings, putting pressure on employers to provide this as a benefit
    Jul 29, 2018 3
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      This is a very good idea. The government will move very slowly to legislate anything, so if someone like glass door can increase the weighting on their algorithm to rate remote work companies higher for each star on the rating scale, this would force more companies to allow remote work
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Google srmn
      Right. I just don't think it's ultimately good for business to allow everyone to work from home all the time. Investors would hate it as they know "business work" they relate to (strategy meetings, negotiations, resolutions, agreements, confidential updates, HR decisions, interviews, firing, promotion and performance decisions, and on the eng side, stand-ups, tech talks, motivational talks) is only really productive and meaningful in person. But WFH can be considered a perk if there's high enough trust in the company culture to ensure people come regularly.
      Jul 29, 2018
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      There are some professionals for which work from home is going to be a lot less frequent. Like for engineering stand up’s, better to fly everyone in once a week to do the stand up, interact for in person meetings, and then go back home. For other functions, maybe once a month is good enough.
      Jul 29, 2018
  • I'd wfh every day given the chance. Far more productive.
    Jul 29, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Product @zzz
    If the main problem is housing affordability then change the zoning and building laws. There are tons of single or younger workers who would gladly stay in an upscale high rise condo. It should overall increase supply, reduce the price, and allow people like you who want to stay in sfh, have it more affordable. Not only that, high rises are actually more environmentally friendly in terms of energy use, and same goes for high density population. I am challenging your main assumptions here, that people don't like high rises. Another one, you keep repeating, that managers have people at work because of ego. Maybe a few, but mostly not true.
    Jul 29, 2018 4
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      A healthy debate and challenging assumptions is definitely good. I’m going to challenge yours as well. I’m not against managers having people come into work, I’m against them saying that they should come into work every single day. You and I both know that’s not true. You need to meet perhaps once a week for your agile/scrum meetings, solve blockers, and then go on and do your work. Living in high-rise condos might be environmentally friendly in terms of overall energy use, but that’s offset by the amount of traffic and deterioration in the quality of schools that you might see. Also, it concentrates tech wealth to just the Bay Area. Why not help spread it to the rest of society? Passing this kind of law would be good for all of California, and stop blue-collar Californians from emigrating out of it. We don’t want a monoculture here in California
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product @zzz
      Traffic congestion definitely is an issue. But the counterpoint is fewer people commuting from outside into the city. Schools I am not sure matter for the demographics who will live there. How does increasing affordability increase concentration? Infact the current situation is making it so that only the super rich can afford the city. Finally, I am a little wary of such forced legislation that goes to heart of how a company wants to manage its own work culture, employees, organizations etc. They can have a lot of consequences. If you can afford to do a formal study with your legislation proposal, that objectively and wholistically looks at everything I would be more inclined to consider. Just from the information given it feels undue burden for employees, and a wrong solution to the root cause of the problem.
      Jul 29, 2018
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      Which employee is going to say that they don’t want to work remotely? Practically all individual contributors, I’ve given a chance, would love to work out of their pajamas at home. And my proposed law has stipulations that and employer can fly in his remote team as long as the bear the costs. And since this law is restricted to California, employees won’t be more than one hour flight away. About fewer people commuting from the outside to the city, isn’t that a good thing? Perhaps those blue-collar workers can afford to live closer to the city, and occupy the space is vacated by middle class tech workers.
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Facebook / Mgmt Bubblechan
      Stop stating single sided “truths”, so many assumptions you get wrong.
      You have not proven that people like remote working and would choose it, that people don’t like high rises and denser living, etc. I’m pretty sure you’re quite wrong on many of these.
      Jul 29, 2018
  • Tableau krxi15
    Can you post a link? Seems made up.
    Jul 29, 2018 3
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      It’s not a law yet. It’s a proposal I’ve drafted after talking around with many other second class, second tier tech workers like myself. I am now floating this proposal around to get a sense for how much support it might have from the tech community, especially privileged FAANG workers.
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Tableau krxi15
      Get out of the bubble, the whole world doesn't revolve around tech workers and FANG employees. Can't make laws for the convenience of 5% of the people(those whose job can be done through a laptop only and tech) of total CA population. We want to get away from this high cost of living which we are responsible for in the first place. How is a retailer or a construction worker supposed to benefit from such shitty laws? Stop being entitled.
      Jul 29, 2018
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      A retailer or construction worker benefits because second-tier tech workers who can’t afford to buy property in the bay area (like myself) would migrate somewhere else in California to have a better quality of life (like central coast). The spaces vacated by middle tier tech workers can be occupied by blue-collar workers.
      Jul 29, 2018
  • Oscar / Eng Bff
    If an employer didn’t want prospective employees to work from home, they’d be rejected at the interview stage.

    Similarly, at-will employment would let any employer get rid of wfh employees as they please.
    Jul 29, 2018 3
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      You make a good point. I should modify certain tenets of my proposal. The employer should not ask the employee’s location or WFH preference.
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Oscar / Eng Bff
      What can you do about at-will employment contracts though? Seems incompatible with having wfh rights.
      Jul 29, 2018
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      Even with at will employment, you can’t just discriminate against anyone or do something illegal. Terminating an employee because they asked to work from home remotely would be a violation, assuming this remote work law were to become reality.
      Jul 29, 2018
  • Microsoft JrMm77
    No
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      You live in Seattle. This is for California employees. You guys don’t have a space constraint problem or a housing price: income ratio problem The way we do.
      Jul 29, 2018
  • Google srmn
    Real legislation?
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      Yes, real legislation
      Jul 29, 2018
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      Sorry I misunderstood Google. There is no real legislation in the works at the moment. I have drafted this remote work law after talking with several second-tier tech workers (i.e. not FAANG) and blue-collar workers. I am trying to get a sense for whether this law might pass or not. As I suspected, the vast majority of privileged FAANG employees would try and block this from happening.
      Jul 29, 2018
  • Apple Google L7
    Op you did not even post your TC yet. Where is your blind etiquette
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      TC used to be $250k. Now I’m doing my own thing. 250k would not get me a single-family home in Peninsula or south bay for $1 million unless I wanted to buy a shit house.
      Jul 29, 2018
  • Google xooglr
    Just find an employer that accommodates tour preferences. Please stop using the government to bully others into accepting your values!
    Nov 10, 2018 0
  • Amazon Lollol
    We need this in Seattle, God damn it!
    Jul 29, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Product @zzz
    Looks like you have made it then. Why don't you just move to one of those counties you mentioned. Who's stopping you, since seems like you already work remote.
    Jul 29, 2018 4
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      I actually will be very soon. Meeting with a couple of angel investors in the next couple of months just to make contact with them, and then taking off forever from the Bay Area.
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product @zzz
      I see your point, about being able to have a better quality of life without compromising on your quality of work. Hope you get there, but a lot of incorrect assumptions in your posts, and bit of ignorance about basic economics. There are people who actually like living in big metro areas if it was affordable. If working from was an option people would still continue to live in the city but work from home.
      Jul 29, 2018
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      I would like to know what assumption of mine were incorrect, and where my basic knowledge of economics were wrong so that I can refine my proposal before taking it around for petitions and approaching my local state senator and assemblyman.
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product @zzz
      1. Number of people who would actually move to trump country because they have that option. If it was available I will simply work from home but still live in Seattle.

      2. Companies would pay you to work from home (pay for travel that is). For any employee working under me, it would go like - you chose to go far from people, but I still hold you accountable for getting the work done. If you don't, you get the fair review, and or termination eventually.

      3. That companies have offices simply because of satisfying someone's ego. There is a reason we try to collocate people working on the same product. There is a reason why tech hubs exist too. You truly underestimate the value of networking and face to face interactions and the decisions that get made all the time.

      4. That this will significantly lower the cost of real estate. Even for sfv tech represents a small portion of the workforce. The real issue is supply, not the demand. Also see my my 1st point on this. We actually have the same problem in Seattle, and right way is to allow supply to catch up with demand. Microsoft is in the burbs, but half my team still chooses to live in Seattle, with arguably worse commute, and high cost of living. Any reduction in price is not going to move them, infact more people will come live in the city if it was affordable.

      If you are serious about this, fund a proper study with professionals who can do this kind of analyses. As you can see from the poll results (unscientific and blind skewed they are) it shows no overwhelming support for this.
      Jul 29, 2018
  • Intuit zapt
    You really want people who WFH all the time to be protected from termination if their employer wants them in the office? You're equating remote workers to a protected class like race/religion/sex. Reeks of elitism.

    Go ahead and destroy your employer's liberty to run their business as they please. But don't complain when they lobby policymakers and destroy YOUR liberties to compensate for your stupidity. It's a two way street.
    Jul 29, 2018 3
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      Employers running their business as they please is what has caused so much social inequality these days. My proposed legislation brings back some equality and change the power dynamics. And I’m not saying that an employee would WFH all the time. If you read carefully (I doubt you read the entire text of the proposed law), you’ll see that employers can bring in their employees once a week if they want to (as long as they pay for the transportation).
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Intuit zapt
      Then put down your own capital and start your own business where everyone can work remotely. That's how this works.

      Oh wait, that would involve you actually having skin in the game.
      Jul 29, 2018
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      @zapt - I already have. My freelancers work a lot more efficiently, and they’re cheaper. I don’t have unnecessary and useless Showboat meetings, and I get work done for my clients above expectations
      Jul 29, 2018
  • SAP Newbye
    Will it affect the housing price?
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      Mojoman

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      It will have the net effect of raising housing prices in California. The second tier tech workers (like me, you, and other enterprise tech companies) who don’t earn what FAANG does Will be able to go to those locations in California where we can afford houses. The vast blue-collar population that is leaving California all together will now be able to afford apartments in the bay area and perhaps condos or town homes elsewhere. It’s all about finding a solution to “fill“ the rest of California and not concentrating housing in the bay area.
      Jul 29, 2018
    • Oracle Chesapeake
      How would it not lead to creating cities with only narrowly skilled, single occupation residents? Would it be healthy when kids read about other occupations in their picture books in kindergarten but never see any other type of worker IRL? Mr. Roger's Neighborhood...not!
      Jul 29, 2018
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      Mojoman

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      Because what would end up happening is that the excess overflow of tech workers in the bay area would go to places like central coast, San Diego, orange county, Santa Barbara, etc. These tech workers are in no way going to outnumber the locals. In other words, tech will not be the dominant industry there, but will have the ability to inspire the locals to perhaps pursue a career and Tech, or a higher middle class occupation, while at the same time raising their property values. You and I are both in enterprise software, and we have worked for second tier companies (Oracle, Cisco and the like don’t pay like FAANG). Wouldn’t you rather take a 15% pay cut, and live in a house near the beach on Central Coast, not commute to work, and have your employer pay for your expenses to fly to Redwood City on an as-needed basis ?
      Jul 29, 2018

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