Can someone convince me to support the republican party?

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Jun 9 147 Comments

A friendly question, asking if a republican can give me a positive set of reasons why supporting this current republican party is better than supporting this current democratic party. I struggle to find a single person who will be kind and informative about why they support trump and think he's better for our country, without calling liberals idiots, fake news, etc. Any takers?

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  • Google PCBro
    "The problem with socialism is that you run out of other people's money" Margaret Thatcher.
    Jun 9 27
    • Microsoft gh0stntshl
      Sorry for your loss. Already moved out.
      Jun 11
    • Lyft ihb47
      That’s awesome news Microsoft! Thanks for all your taxes, goodbye!
      Jun 11
    • Microsoft 🍩doughnot
      😂The boiling frogs are bitter...
      Jun 11
    • New / Eng
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      Oh so you're now a foreigner trying to have a say in American politics.

      Doesn't quite work that way... Sorry. I can see why you probably want illegal immigration to be legalized.

      Still waiting on the name of the country that's better than America.
      Jun 11
    • Microsoft 🍩doughnot
      “Still waiting on the name of the country that's better than America.”

      The mere asking this question shows how petty and limited the way you are seeing the world is.
      Jun 11
    • Microsoft gh0stntshl
      Dunning-Kruger in full effect... 🙄
      Jun 11
    • Microsoft 12monkeyz
      Stop bullying the village’s idiot! He wants country names. Give it to him!

      I’ll start!

      Switzerland
      Finland
      Denmark
      France
      Sweden
      Portugal
      Spain
      Singapore
      Japan
      Canada
      Jun 11
    • Lyft ihb47
      Now let’s make this interesting. Let’s rank countries by negative net migration to the US. (On balance, normalize by population, more likely to immigrate from the US to that country)

      Forget about peoples opinions, let’s look at how they’re voting with their feet.
      Jun 11
    • Scotiabank 0xFU
      If you think Canada is better than the US you are exceptionally stupid. Can we trade? I’ll come to the US and renounce my Canadian citizenship yesterday.
      Jun 11
    • Microsoft 12monkeyz
      We are full of incels already
      Jun 11
  • Apple
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    gBKo45imore
    I changed voter affiliation to Republican not so much out of support but out of protest of the current one party Democratic rule in CA. Taxes keep going up, public transit is a joke, astronomical housing prices, ever increasing “feel good” anti-gun laws. I don’t support Trump but the Democratic Party is becoming too irrational for my tastes and rallying around what I feel is bad policy namely open borders and a total gun ban.
    Jun 9 24
    • DoubleVerify Karius123
      As someone who uses NY's subway every day, it's problem is a lack of support from the federal gov that would rather spend hundreds of billions every year on their military fetish and trillions on meaningless regime change wars instead of investing in infrastructure within the country. No state can modernize and expand a system as large as NYC's without federal aid. Take any country in the world with a modern large scale project- their federal gov is the key driver.

      Trump and co are meanwhile busy trying to make it even worse by choking off critical rail infrastructure such as long overdue repairs of tunnels from NJ to NYC.
      Jun 9
    • Oath Atinlay2
      No, the problem is Deblasio
      Jun 9
    • DoubleVerify Karius123
      Deblasio is a moron but you've got to be an even bigger one if you think his incompetence is what's somehow the cause of NYC Subway's below par performance when it needs billions in extra funding that no mayor can provide unless he has a money growing tree in his home.

      In any case, with all it's issues, the NYC subway is leagues above the red states and cities where they have no public transport to begin with; outdated or not.
      Jun 9
    • Oath Atinlay2
      Show Facts or I call BS.
      Jun 9
    • Apple
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      I want to see housing prices come down but all I get are tax hikes, gender neutral bathrooms and plastic straw bans. The weather is the only thing keeping me here. For now.
      Jun 9
    • Activision Blizzard / Eng bHsd57
      @Karius123 NYC has over 8.5 million people, which is more than the entire country of Switzerland, and you’re arguing the city can’t maintain a subway system? If you can’t maintain it you shouldn’t have it. There is no reason why someone from Idaho should finance your hobo-ridden tube system. The only thing the federal government should fund with respect to infrastructure is interstate highways and bridges to ensure regular interstate commerce.
      Jun 9
    • Intel D’s🥜
      ^If interstate commerce is the greatest concern, why build a highway at all then? Why not a freight system, which is much cheaper and efficient?
      Jun 10
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      Putting it out there wasn't "Assault weapons" a dem talking point? Saying it's Trump's talking point is just dishonest
      Jun 10
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      The highway system serves everyone, the subway primarily serves New York citizens
      Jun 10
    • Salesforce icedcoffee
      Also who gives a “fuk” about guns? The part of the country you refuse to listen to. And that’s the part that will re-elect Trump. So stop with the cultural elitism.
      Jun 10
  • Microsoft AItCtrlDeI
    I'm an immigrant. I'll become US citizen by EOY and I'll vote for Trump in next election.
    Jun 9 15
    • What’s wrong about learning about Islam?
      Jun 9
    • Microsoft jslqhsy⏸️
      What's wrong with learning about Christianity? How about we leave religion education to parents?
      Jun 9
    • Do schools not teach world religion anymore (serious question)? Also, I view education as a tool to combat hate and bigotry. Teaching about Islam might reduce the knee-jerk hatred against Muslims in America.
      Jun 9
    • Microsoft jslqhsy⏸️
      Well if your starting point is that Muslims are misunderstood, or worse, in America ... Hence we deserve Muslim indoctrination ... You kinda have made your mind.
      Jun 9
    • Tesla x87zjk
      It sounds like you’ve made up your mind about Muslims being evil, too
      Jun 9
    • Google / Eng QrJx75
      Separation of church and state... Let's keep it that way. Basic history is ok, but when it comes to practicing it... Not ok.
      Jun 9
    • The linked article describes some guidelines about how to be sensitive to students who practice Islam, like let the kid pray at prayer time and try not to schedule PE tests during fasting times. Seems reasonable to me. Nobody bats an eye over Ash Wednesday goings on.
      Jun 9
    • Google / Eng QrJx75
      So try not to or not to? There's a big difference.

      I think as long as there's a proper note from the parents then accommodations should be made. But I don't think it gets a separate bucket from something like a medical condition. Jewish people have all of these holidays where they cannot use technology, no one says anything.
      Jun 9
    • Microsoft gh0stntshl
      Good for you. Can’t wait to see your « citizenship » rescinded by your King.
      Jun 10
  • Uber YqpP36
    How about you vote when the time comes based on the merits of the candidates, and their attitudes to issues you care about, rather than dogmatic allegiance to one party or another?
    Jun 9 3
    • Microsoft Vbsm66
      Big L for the Republican Party then 😂
      Jun 9
    • Google etf
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      Yeah, Trump is unfortunately a pathological liar who I personally don't believe in, which is why I ask about party and broad policy.
      Jun 9
    • Google / Eng QrJx75
      Regardless of if you disagree or not, he has done what he said he will do. Wall? Tax reform? Illegal immigration? While not successful at all, he's tried very hard. I respect that, but disagree with the implementation. And a lot of people find it refreshing to have someone do what they campaign on.
      Jun 9
  • Groupon / Eng sleepy
    I didn’t get a reason to vote for either party. As an Asian, I see the republicans don’t like me as I’m not white and the Democrats don’t like me as we’re anomalies to their social theory. On top they will certainly ask for more taxes. I have anyway very low expectations from American politics.
    Jun 9 28
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Nope, I argued he twice in this thread that I think he downplayed the white nationalists because he was afraid of taking blame but also afraid of looking weak to the Internet-right.
      Jun 11
    • Lyft ihb47
      Right, and I’m trying to remind you why many people consider your argument a pretty contrived mental contortion. Trying to help you understand why the majority considers your position pretty fringe.

      The impression we’re all left with is you really want to believe that Trump is a racist. You’re not gonna let any evidence get in your way.
      Jun 11
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Um, ok, just put the goalpost down over there. Someone argued that the “both sides” comment was a myth... that is what I am arguing against.

      Not sure you want to go down this new route of what the public believes... Associated Press: “Fifty-seven percent of all adults, including more than 8 in 10 blacks, three-quarters of Hispanics and nearly half of whites, said they think Trump is racist. Eighty-five percent of Democrats consider Trump racist, but just 21 percent of Republicans agree.”

      So a majority of Republicans don’t agree... but everyone else does.

      But, again, this has nothing to do with what I am talking about here.
      Jun 11
    • Lyft ihb47
      What are you talking about? Beyond providing a brilliant case study into TDS
      Jun 11
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      “Right, and I’m trying to remind you why many people consider your argument a pretty contrived mental contortion. Trying to help you understand why the majority considers your position pretty fringe.

      The impression we’re all left with is you really want to believe that Trump is a racist.”

      Maybe I misunderstood your argument. Are you saying my position is that I believe Trump is a racist but this is out of touch with what most people think?

      If so, see the AP poll I quoted.

      Or are you saying that most people don’t think Trump was trying to downplay the white nationalist involvement in organizing the Charlottesville rallies?

      “Only 39 percent of voters approve of the job Trump is doing in this week’s poll — conducted entirely following the president’s various scripted and impromptu reactions to the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia — down from 44 percent just the week earlier. Fifty-six percent of voters disapprove in the new poll, up from 52 percent last week.”
      Jun 11
    • Microsoft pisjpaa89
      Quite a few people stood away from Trump because of the Russia collision hoax. The unbiased and independent media spun, drooled and spun. For two years. Media spinning has a lot of impact. The fact that Trump's become more liked and appreciated now that the media hoax is over is telling. At the end people see through the TDS bullshit. Same with the misinterpreted comments taken out of context - when the hate takes over you, it's game over.
      Jun 11
    • Lyft ihb47
      Totally, I was a Hillary voter myself who was out raged when Trump was elected. The last 2 1/2 years have forced me to reconsider and Admit that I was missed lead and gullible by taking what I thought was decent media at it too much face value. Turns out trumps been the one saying more truth, turns out the people accusing him of collusion were the ones colluding.
      Jun 11
    • Microsoft pisjpaa89
      As a later Trump convert, I share similar experience as @ihb47. My initial attitude towards Trump was "meh". But that's why people love Trump - he loves this country, and is doing his best to make it better. And is actually doing a lot good. He has a long public record and has been saying the same stuff for 30 years. Check YouTube: CNN and the rest of the haters used to love him, his attitude, his ideas. Once he decided to run, they declared a war.
      Jun 11
    • Maxim Integrated snbmldt
      Ellisdee25 is not gonna be able to overcome his or her cognitive dissonance. But millions of voters have and life is going to continue to be hard for the #resistance NPCs.
      Jun 12
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Cognitive dissonance is a pretty good description for most Republican and Democratic Party supporters.

      Anti-war liberals voting for pro-war Democratic Party politicians.

      “States Rights” conservatives supporting Trump in attacking sanctuary laws so that the Federal government can force states and use their local police resources.
      Jun 12
  • Amgen Fin4eng
    Democrats generally believe in equality of Outcomes, while Republicans believe in equality of Opportunity.
    Jun 9 10
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Hardly, Republicans are perfectly fine denying opportunity to minority groups they don’t like. Hence all the Republican controlled states where it is still legal to fire someone just for being gay.
      Jun 9
    • Oath Atinlay2
      Democrats just think they own all minority groups and know how they will vote.

      “Hence all the Republican controlled states where it is still legal to fire someone just for being gay.” Is untrue.
      Jun 9
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Republicans do the same with their core minority groups. Look at how far the evangelicals have gone to sell out any semblance of morality.
      Jun 9
    • Oath Atinlay2
      Evangelical is not a political party
      Jun 9
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Evangelicals are an identity group within the Republican Party.
      Jun 9
    • Oath Atinlay2
      No, they are just a group of people. Every single one of them are not republicans.

      I know your side loves them some identity politics.
      Jun 9
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Both sides love identity politics. Evangelical Christians are big players in identity politics.
      Jun 9
    • New qasvdz
      wtf, there are 0 states where you can be fired for being gay, troll.
      Jun 9
    • Google / Eng QrJx75
      Liberals like to make up facts and then pretend they are true. Someone defend that women pay gap holiday. Let's see it!
      Jun 9
    • Adobe 209Teen
      Actually, there is no federal protection for sexual orientation. There are some states that have created laws to protect citizens based on sexual orientation, but there are many states who have not and in those states it is not illegal to fire someone based on their sexual orientation. Look it up yourself.
      Jun 10
  • First off, I think it’s obvious to state that not all Republicans support Trump and not all Democrats despise him. But I think I understand the spirit of your question, which is essentially why hasn’t he completely turned everyone off from identifying as the former. Within the context of the modern experience of a young American I get why you think this way, and there’s no way to make you understand now but in time you’ll learn how limited of a view it is.

    The core issue in politics today is that we are no longer debating nuanced issues that we disagree on while largely agreeing on base fundamentals such as the preeminence of capitalism, we are arguing vehemently over the base fundamentals now.

    The Democratic Party has gradually devolved into boisterously advocating socialism, something that just a few short election cycles ago was political suicide. The reason it was like that was not because socialism is some kind of hip new modern solution that we are just now getting around to entertaining, it’s because that is a very old and tired idea of which the devastating consequences of was still vividly remembered by the voting public. Most people a couple of decades ago saw what happened to societies that embraced collectivism and acknowledged that it was demonstratively a failed system, and not because there’s some evil cabal of fat cats somewhere sabotaging it, but because it simply...doesn’t...work. We would all love for it to, but it doesn’t.

    The modern electorate is different, it’s made up of large swaths of people who insulate themselves within a bubble of content that aligns with what they want to believe. Thus, the allure of a system in which resources are freely given has captured their imaginations once again. Any fact or information that conflicts with that notion is quickly silenced with a YouTube video about how the Rockefellers are controlling the world. Now, we have a problem.

    Trump, as deeply...deeeeeeply flawed as he is, was something in 2016 that all other voices in modern politics have slowly turned the volume down on, either through a lack of animation or a reluctance to invoke as the collectivist crowds have amassed in their districts. Something that at one time was something all mainstream American candidates were once presumed to be. He was a capitalist.

    If you’re a socialist, that’s fine. Just understand that it is antithetical to the American experiment. This is an individualistic society, the point of this experience is to leverage the engines of freedom and choice to supply the horsepower of the economy. Show me a socialist country today that isn’t disintegrating, and I’ll show you a socialist country with a largely homogenous nation that is outsourcing their national defense to us without nearly the level of immigration into their country as ours. (That’s not to say immigration is a bad thing, but it becomes mathematically problematic if the rate of it is so high that it creates a massive imbalance in output vs. input level, and not just directly but peripherally as well).

    I don’t think you’re ever going to become a Republican unless you want to be, but at least perhaps you can appreciate why many in this country feel backed into a corner into either voting for a person who is undeniably despicable or voting for their own economic destruction.
    Jun 9 3
    • Target / Eng tmDe33
      What a crock of shit. Farm subsidy and military deficit spending: totally fine socialism. "Giving" healthcare to poors? Get me my fainting couch!
      Jun 9
    • New / Finance MWSt70
      Farm subsidies and military spending are far far cheaper than universal healthcare. I don’t think people fathom the tax increase that be needed to pay for Medicare for all.
      Jun 9
    • Microsoft Vbsm66
      UHS will actually lower the overall cost of healthcare per patient by removing inefficiencies in the current system.
      Jun 10
  • StubHub bobox
    Wrong approach. Instead, think about the issues you care about; understand the challenges, potential solutions, and impact. Once done, go and figure out which party's charter aligns with your assessment of the world. You'd be surprised with what you learn.
    Jun 9 7
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      All the anti-gay stuff turns me off from the Republican platform.
      Jun 9
    • Aka. How to become a disenfranchised voter.
      Jun 9
    • Microsoft ufhudv
      All the D&I stuff turn me off from the Democratic platform.
      Jun 9
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      All the divisiveness of their fake diversity and inclusion... Identity politics only serve to divide not unite
      Jun 10
    • Salesforce icedcoffee
      ^this. And not all republicans are anti-gay. Start asking some of us and you’ll learn.
      Jun 10
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      No one said all Republicans are anti-gay. What was said was that the Republican platform is anti-gay. Start reading the party platform and you’ll learn.
      Jun 11
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      I think the anti-gay side is mostly about coercing people against their will to support it.

      Like the whole gay wedding cake thing that the internet assassinated.

      Which is why I think the new direction is just being "conservative" party instead of Republican.
      Jun 11
  • Facebook zuck-
    Read Mein Kampf. It’s the intellectual foundation of the current Republican Party.
    Jun 9 1
    • Microsoft gh0stntshl
      The GOP has one... you know this thing that enables the orange moron whatever the cost...
      Jun 10
  • Microsoft tfsUEwWt
    It's more about not supporting a wingnut socialist party.
    Jun 9 0
  • L3 Technologies lurker37
    In the end it all boils down to if you believe in fairness of outcome or fairness of opportunity
    Jun 9 0
  • Intel knPl06
    I have no political party, but I do understand that republicans believe in a weak and small government, with weak power and small funding.

    I'm from Texas which is a Republican state that follows cowboy culture. There's no state tax, weak government, the state government doesn't spend a lot of money helping poor people and the streets are still well maintained and repaired compared with here, dps is super quick and efficient, and the state services in general are more efficient. You can buy and carry guns, you can hurt the environment, kill all the nature if you want because you are more empowered and there's not a lot of rules and laws, you can remodel your house without getting your neighbors approval, etc. And the government has less control overall.

    A Democratic state is in total control of everything and the citizens are weak in power, but all the laws try to take care of the disadvantaged, pay for the poor, protect the employees from the companies, try to protect the renters from the land lords, protect the citizens from each other, etc.

    But God, as far as taxes and state services are concerned, the state seems corrupt. You have high income taxes, gasoline costs at least an additional $1 more per gallon, you pay fees for grocery bags and water bottles, your car registration is $400 instead of $70 per year, the streets aren't well maintained, dps sucks, police fines cost a fortune, etc.
    Jun 9 0
  • Amazon / Eng desudesu
    Fuck off, the Republican party is full.
    Jun 9 0
  • New / Finance MWSt70
    I generally vote R because I don’t want to pay well over 50 percent of my income in taxes, which would have to happen to fund Medicare for all, free college, and so on. That doesn’t mean I support Trump or support every policy endorsed by the R party.
    Jun 9 0
  • Groupon / Eng sleepy
    OP, did you get the answer?
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      yes, I did & I thought this was great. I lean far left and am a registered Democrat, and was interested in a thoughtful discussion about the best reasons to support the conservative agenda. I'm not convinced / won't be voting republican. However, I got a better idea of where people in tech are coming from and the broad reasons why someone might still vote republican despite trump.
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    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      Yes that’s what is good. No matter if you support something, it’s always good to know.
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  • New oycn00
    I was a hardcore democrat 1st gen immigrant, but have recently been leaning Trump even though I hate him personally (lies, narcissism, non-presidential, man-childish behavior). I think he has the right ideas for the country (mostly) and is bold enough to pursue them.

    I'm amazed that Trump has so easily and boldly challenged China while the Democrats have been footing over the issue for decades. He may be putting in tariffs for business but it also benefits local manufacturing jobs. Can't wait for him to put the squeeze on India next.
    Jun 11 1
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      Trump is eccentric, if not "unpresidential," but perhaps that's why he's getting things done, despite 24x7 opposition.
      Jun 11
  • Microsoft Hyad70
    If for no other reason, vote for Trump to continue to appoint Federal Judges that do not look to legislate from the bench. Also, Ruth B. Ginsberg will not make it through the next term...we can finally stop Dems from getting in court what they can't get passed as law.
    Jun 11 0
  • Lyft ihb47
    Yeah I think I could offer a valuable perspective. I had voted for the Green party and Obama most recently Hillary before walking away from the Democratic Party in the last few months. My experience may be relevant.
    Jun 9 0
  • Facebook public2
    No one likes the vast majority of "Republican" values they just like money and want more of it today and or have Joe the plumber syndrome and think they will someday have it.
    Jun 9 0
  • Don't worry about supporting a party.
    Focus on supporting Ideas, Policies, and Results.
    Look at the candidates and politicians who do the best in those areas, and consider giving your support, regardless of the party.
    Jun 12 1
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      I understand what you're saying, but the reality is that if you run as the party's candidate, you have a whole bunch of favors to payback - or else. The party matters greatly. Trump has proven to be the biggest party Maverick, however, and has upset that to a degree. In today's election cycle, the Democrat candidates are all in a party that is vastly dominated by far left, socialists. If you align with that, vote for the Democrat candidate, but if not...think about what you are doing.
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    Both parties are equally bad, in many ways they are very similar too.
    Jun 10 1
    • Lyft ihb47
      In the last 30 years the two major parties in-bread and became the Uniparty.

      Trump is actually an independent, he just happened to blow up the old GOP and secure their nomination first, which is a good strategy considering how dominant the two party system is.

      Globally were seeing a movement away from the old establishment centrist parties that are dominated for decades, it looks like the right side of the spectrum is the first to be able to rebuild new parties that are fundamentally nationalistic and populist in nature. You’re starting to see this happen on the left as well things like Elizabeth Warren flirting with economic nationalism, Bernie as well. They’re not as far along in their base is way more fractured so not clear they can pull it off yet
      Jun 10
  • Netflix ye651t
    Don’t. Vote on issues and only issues, and what kind of judges a candidate will nominate. Political parties is just herd mentality of us vs them.

    I’m a registered Democrat only because I want to be able to vote in a primary to help pick a viable candidate for CA, since the GOP lost this state decades ago and hasn’t bothered to even try to evolve to learn from their mistake. My interests aren’t completely alighted with any party.
    Jun 10 0
  • Google / Eng QrJx75
    You don't like Howard Schultz?
    Jun 9 0
  • New VMHR81
    Your choice sucker's or workers
    Jun 9 0

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