Can't stand the people who become developers solely because of high salaries and bootcamp availability.
Software develioment has become the easy path to a great salary. Bootcamps claim and some done give people enough skills to get hired as crappy developers. And I absolutely hate this trend. We already have too many people in my team who care about tech only as far as minimally required to not be fired. The only time they will care about improving or refactoring something is if they can use it at performance review. What is worse these people then tend to offload the actual development to normal developers while they themselves play politics and aim to become TPMs or managers. This has to stop. Also please lets stop those "X in tech" movements. The last one of those I sa w listed high salary as literally the FIRST bullet point in why should X be interested in tech. 7 years ago I worked with a team full of geeks arguing about if we should use SOAP or RPC and Java vs C#. Now I am surrounded by by leetcoders who discuss sallaries and which company will pay them more for less work.
Back in 1999, I got to know this guy who was a plumber in Britain. Read a book called “learn Java in 21 days”, got a 6 figure swe gig in SF! Then that bubble burst in 2001 and he went back to fixing clogged toilets in Manchester. This too shall pass.
Lmao you sound salty as fuck. God forbid others make good salaries. If they are really that poorly motivated and their skills that much inferior than isn't that great for you? If your team is that shit you should be a shining star and quickly rise up the ranks, wouldn't this be a win for you?
This worries me also. A lot of us joined the industry because we were passionate about technology. Gates and Jobs wanted to change the world which is why I signed on. That passion seems to be fading with each new batch of recruits.
True. And many of them are incapable to develop an actual algorithm to solve a problem before starting coding.
Jfc 7 years ago you thought SOAP might be a good idea?
Yeah SOAP was garbage from day one
Honestly I respect bootcamp leetcoders. It's because it requires a lot of motivation and hardwork to learn coding and solve those interview questions in high pressure interview. Many of them didn't get degree as they didn't have 💰. Many of these people were uber driver, plumbers or something else. I have nothing but respect for these people. I consider them very passionate about technology as well. And chasing TC in a capitalist country is perfectly okay.
Great points. My issue, and I think the OPs issue is that lately the industry has attracted folks who are just here for a paycheck. Nothing wrong with that. But if it’s only money you’re after why not go to Wall Street? Or rob a bank. Or become a pimp. That’s the best of both worlds IMO.
if you are so passionate about technology, why don't you create something big like Linux Kernel or Git similar to what Linus Torvalds did? Instead of focusing on them begin pimp or something, it's better if you create something.
To be clear, this problem is not directly related to bootcamps. There are plenty of passionate tech enthusiasts who come out of bootcamps and know what they’re doing (heck, they probably didn’t even need the bootcamp because they taught themselves). And there are plenty of BS graduates who just made it through the program for the money. The problem isn’t bootcamps. The problem is that money got people into this field who do not belong here. I’m sure the medical profession has struggled with this in the past. Maybe we need a more competitive process?
You jelly?
Welcome to the world of automation. The number of less skilled jobs is falling, a lot of people who have no interest in tech will keep turning to it to earn a living. The best you can do is become a specialist in an area that requires significant intellectual investment. That way you’ll have more control over whom you work with.
"SOAP or RPC" Thank Christ REST is the standard, now, holy shit. But to be fair, I'd say engineering has gotten a lot easier. We keep building better and better abstractions. One of the goals is to make it easy for people to pick up on a code base on day one. And if they aim to use their position to hop into another profession (TPM/SDM), then problem solved. Disclaimer: I don't have a CS degree, but also never thought I'd be able to become an engineer. Been an engineer for 5+ years. I became an engineer before Coursera and bootcamps, so I can't speak to the quality of these programs, but if people are truly bad, they'll get LE'ed out. And if they're mediocre, but not bad enough to get fired, you'll look great by comparison.
Tc? Lol