Politics

Collusion

Amazon lvd11
Jan 8

Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, shared polling data collected by the Trump campaign with Russian operatives during the election.

Updated with link:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/politics/manafort-trump-campaign-data-kilimnik.html

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  • Oath / MgmtAtinlay
    Cool story
    Jan 81
    • Amazon lvd11
      OP
      Buckle up
      Jan 8
  • Oath / Engbadassmfer
    It’s good news for America however Nothing will change. Only 2020 elections will defeat Cheetos and his fascist populism.....
    Jan 80
  • Target meatsweats
    Did he know it was a Russian agent when the data was shared? Was the data shared not available in the public square?

    His discussion of a Ukrainian peace plan is not shocking given his work before the election. Just discussing doesn’t seem to be a violation unless there was some yet undisclosed agreement to implement a plan if the Russians actively helped to elect The Donald...that is also left out here.

    This is why I hate American news.
    Jan 811
    • Target meatsweats
      You still have to have a clear line to Trump. This article hints at that, but as of yet there isn’t any proof. This just tacks in another 5-10 on what is already a life sentence for manafort
      Jan 8
    • Google / Eng
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      Ya, the moment it is proven, trump will claim manafort did it on his own, just like he did with cohen. Such a liar!
      Jan 8
    • Amazon lvd11
      OP
      "ok sure, so the Trump campaign was dirty to the core and committed numerous felonies conspiring against the United States with a foreign power to get Trump elected. But Trump didn't know!"

      That's the line you have walked back to?
      Jan 8
    • Microsoft leet_away
      “Sharing polling data is collusion”. 😆 only if the Russians don’t have tv or internet
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    • Amazon lvd11
      OP
      Not public polling data moron. Political parties have much better data which they keep secret and use to decide what to focus on. Providing that kind of data to a foreign agency with the goal of helping them direct their attack on the election is a violation of 18 U.S. Code § 371.
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    • Microsoft leet_away
      If they had better polling data I’m sure Hillary would have campaigned in a few more rust belt states. Also pretty sure the Russians can hire private polling companies legally if they want to. But don’t mind the facts, it’s great to see zealots like you flip their shit over nothingburgers.
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    • Amazon lvd11
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      There's no if, they have private polling data
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    • Google / Eng
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      Now trump is claiming that he didn't know manafort shared poll data with russians
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    • Microsoft leet_away
      Shocker!
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    • Amazon t8g5r
      He surrounded himself with felons and traitors yet he had no idea.

      Great judge of character there!
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  • Nvidia zVEC05
    So what? I was concerned about financial ties; but after 2 years this is the best Muller has? Someone on trump’s campaign that everyone knew did business in Russia talked to someone in Russia about the campaign? Who cares?!

    I’m coming around to this being a which hunt, especially seeing what the FBI did to Flynn.
    Jan 85
    • Amazon lvd11
      OP
      Yeah, try and downplay COLLUSION by calling it "talk", and try and downplay his CAMPAIGN MANAGER as just "someone on Trump's campaign".

      So what if Trump's campaign conspired with a foreign state trying to interfere in a US election? It is multiple serious felonies: Conspiracy to commit election fraud, conspiracy against the United States.

      And you can only HOPE this is the best Mueller has, but that seems highly unlikely. This is something we only know because Manafort's team let it slip out.
      Jan 8
    • Nvidia zVEC05
      What does collusion even mean? There’s no legal definition. So what are you accusing them of? No proof of stealing the election. The Russians put out some click bait ads, there’s no evidence it impacted the results. They also funded Black Lives Matter in 2015 & 2016; did they collide with the democrats as well? Uranium One is pretty sketchy.
      Jan 8
    • Amazon lvd11
      OP
      There is actually a legal definition: it is a felony for a foreign state to interfere in a US election. Collusion is conspiracy by a US person to aid that foreign state in committing that felony. In general conspiracy to commit any felony it also a felony.

      Manafort at least send perilously close to having admitted to that.
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    • Nvidia zVEC05
      What section of the USC is that defined in?

      https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/12/what-is-collusion-215366

      If you think that’s a term maybe we should go after pretty much ever whitehouse official:
      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-08/how-us-spent-billions-change-outcome-elections-around-world-review
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    • Amazon lvd11
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      18 U.S. Code § 371
      7d
  • Oracle HKF045zh
    Collusion has been obvious from the beginning. Still no evidence of a crime. He shared campaign data? Yawn.
    Jan 83
    • Amazon lvd11
      OP
      Amazing how far you guys have walked back. First there was no Russian interference, then there was, but not collusion. Now there's collusion but you claim collaboration with a foreign state to interfere in an election isn't a crime.

      News flash: yes it's a crime. It's illegal for foreign governnents to interfere in American elections and any American who colludes is guilty of conspiracy against the United States.
      Jan 8
    • Microsoft leet_away
      News flash: you have no idea what you’re talking about. Sharing polling data? Are you out of your f-ing mind? There were a gazillion polls in that period that were public. What was the value of this information then? You’re going to be really disappointed to see that he’s going to serve his full term and very likely also get re-elected.
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    • Amazon lvd11
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      If it was done for the purpose of assisting their attack on the election in the United States then it violates 18 U.S. Code § 371.
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  • Google / Eng
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    so THERE WAS COLLUSION. Ofcourse its still not proven in court, but getting closer
    Jan 81
    • Microsoft Dr. Fill
      They knew these guys weren't Russians when they wrote the original headline. This is now standard practice for NYT: 1. Print lie that pushes paper's political agenda. 2. Print correction days later, when they know no one will read it. They think this is "integrity & honesty".
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  • Microsoft Dr. Fill
    Will you post a correction from that article? LOL

    'Correction: January 9, 2019
    A previous version of this article misidentified the people to whom Paul Manafort wanted a Russian associate to send polling data. Mr. Manafort wanted the data sent to two Ukrainian oligarchs, Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov, not to Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch close to the Kremlin.'
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    • Amazon lvd11
      OP
      No correction is required, he colluded with Russian agents
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    • Microsoft Dr. Fill
      How are they Russian agents?
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    • Amazon lvd11
      OP
      How are the Russian agents who interfered in the Ukrainian election Russian agents?

      Drrr drrrrr drrrr
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  • Oracle ypoint
    Don't they get Internet or American news in other countries?
    Jan 80
  • This isn’t Reddit
    Jan 80

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