I don’t doubt that. It’s funny to see so many tech bros on this thread using mainstream media and recent press to trash Facebook, discounting the engineering pedigree and quality of talent there. Moral compass is an effective buzzword to hide behind these days I guess. Disclaimer: I’m ex Fb so call me biased but even then this is hilarious. Especially Uber bros calling out fb is 🤷♀️
I’m a proud “uber bro” here. Our company have issues, we made mistakes, but I come to work feeling we made a positive change to how people get around and have access to flexible temporary income in the last decade. We don’t sell ads or induce people to spend time on intentionally superficial and meaningless social apps like Instagram. I would never discount how talented people at Facebook are though. I think not interviewing Facebookers for “lack of moral compass” sounds really extreme and idiotic.
Your criticism of Instagram as a superficial meaningless social app can be countered by millions of small business owners who’re able to reach their customers because of apps like Instagram and thousands of people using Instagram, Facebook and twitter to affect social and geopolitical change. It’s not all rosy - social networks have their dark side too as is all too evident if you’re aware of what’s going on. However - the point being made here is tech employees trashing a tech company because of their domain is duplicitous at best, moronic at the worst. Uber’s predatory business practices should give pause to the Uber bros that have suddenly grown a ‘moral compass’ after having their company and reputation trashed by mainstream media.
“Suddenly grown a moral compass”? You should have paused before writing that down and assuming that people working for Uber didnt have one to begin with. I joined Uber in 2013 after talking to a lot of Uber drivers who loved the flexibility Uber provided, as well as my friends who loved it as a new way to get around. I still believe the net benefit from Uber both now and in the long run to humanity is positive and way greater than those social media apps. And that’s partly what kept me going, even though I’m not denying that those ISOs and RSUs helped too.
Of course not all social media apps are born equal. I think reddit and twitter are still better by design than facebook/instagram, because the content there is less superficial, imo.
As a candidate this rings true. I’m currently on the job hunt and a friend offered to refer me into Facebook. Although I admire FB’s talent, I just can’t with them. It seems like a creepy ad-company that collects users’ data by any means necessary. Privacy ethics be damned.
This may be an unfair perception but I just figured Facebook employees are purely money-driven. Things like ethics just aren’t important to them.
Why do we continue to tolerate Liberal outrage? I’m tired of having to sit silent every time someone brings up a social justice issue that is super complex, because skepticism is seen as a microaggression in the bay area. How can ideas be iterated on in that sort of culture?
So every FAANG is on here at least handful of times. It would appear that Blind is made up of mostly FAANG employees who aren’t thankful for the role that they have. It’s always someone else’s fault, in this case the company that puts food on your table and allows you to drive that stupid Tesla.
I hate Amazon for so many reasons it’s hard to count, but even having said that, I’m thankful that I have been able to do good work in a top tier company and make some money.
I think it’s due to the fact the people working for FAANG are more willing to shout out for their companies. It would make things a little bit awkward when you mention some non top tier companies and some people reply “what is that company?” .Those names are common knowledges for people here to naturally start the conversation.
Therefore, even if we force everyone here to speak out a company, you would still see a high percentage of appearances for FAANG.....This question is not able to really get an unbiased answer unfortunately.
It would be simpler to answer what isn’t wrong with it. Answer: good cell phone discount that inexplicably doesn’t expire until like a year after you leave.
But that’s basically it. Everything else that could possibly be wrong with a company is wrong there. I’d seriously rather go to prison than work again for Oath / Verizon Media / whatever dumb new name they pick next year
Wtf. Can I get some horror stories here on Verizon and Yahoo? I think my Sr. SDE had worked at Verizon for a decade, and another teammate said he was having a lot of fun there as a contractor until the numbers got bad
All tech companies who do not meet this list of requirements:
Pay me 900k TC and allow me to only work on things I want, when I want, and not too much work so that I have to do more than 40 hrs a week but preferable less than 40 and also the work has to always be interesting and challenging. Free food and all the same conveniences I could have at home. A few months of paid time off a year as well.
Exactly you sell it. We keep that locked down as we can monetize via ads. Yet who makes the headlines re: privacy.
From personal knowledge, I know (friends in the industry)that there is a PR war against Google, funded by competitors. The real story is everyone collects data, but Google hires the best to safeguard privacy. You're lucky a spotlight isn't shined on you.
Google hires "the best" doesn't mean anything when you can't even articulate what you define as the best. You're not going to get away with best programmers, educated or anything else because it's a bullshit statement. All of these companies are hiring people whom you would define as the best but they want zero to do with Google, Facebook and a number of other companies.
You don't get it. No one here is implying Apple or Amex is doing any better. People need a bank. Banks know this. So they collect and monetize user data. Similarly, people need Google. Google knows this. So they collect and monetize user data. It's evil no matter who does it.
@JustCause people who hate certain companies don't necessarily mean they failed to interview (or failed to get to interview) - it just means their perception of the company is shit. And I wouldn't say this lightly: you're not helping change that. To reply to @Telus: I invite you to have an honest conversation with someone who works at Facebook (and enjoys working at Facebook Inc, for the good reasons)
Facebook. Probably the only company of the list that provides negative value to humanity. We are engineers and we make a ton of money. It is in our duty to chose a company that doesn't sell your data or makes everyone lose their time. Sometimes I really don't get how Facebook engineers can sleep at night
Lol. You're either really young or really naive. Wait until you have a couple kids and a mortgage to pay. Then you will realize it is a job at the end of the day. Your view that what we do is so holy as a profession is laughable. Unless you went into bioinformatics and are at the edge of finding a cancer cure, then stfu. But you didn't, because your TC would be a fraction of what you make today -- which involves scaling the backend to the shopping cart on that site or the likes of it. See how holy you are? So stop conflating your hate for fb because of social, political reasons with fb as a workplace. You sound stupid.
Yes, comparing Nazi germany with fb is a very appropriate analogy and in no shape or form does it cement my original theory about how I thought you were conflating your political/social hatred for fb with the typical software engineer who works there and tries to prevent people's accounts from being hacked. 🙄
Juul. My grandfather died in his 60’s after a lifetime of smoking. Juul is hooking an entirely new generation on nicotine. Fuck them. Vaping supporters might say vaping is harmless, but people who vape are more likely to try smoking cigarettes. Again, fuck Juul.
I went from half a pack a day to sipping on the liquid nicotine teet so seems fine to me
Also anecdotally, i havent seen all these kids who supposedly switch from vape to cigarettes. I try smoking a cigarette now and it tastes like total shit, why would they want to taste ass and smell like ass
Poor culture. Managers with no experience. Misrepresentations to employees. Fast production cycles are impacting product quality. Constant rapid fire production cycles often don't allow for bug fixes. Lack of transparency in town hall meetings.There's a lot more, but I give away my position if I got into more detail.
What are your ethical objections with google? I personally am ready to give them all my data in return of how much it has helped me, my family and the world. I am mot asking anyone to do that. But, we as a species would not be here without it. Its easy to be influenced by media and go into the ethical rant just because these companies are big enough to be targetted, while all the other companies would do the same if they could or are already doing it but nobody pays attention. The whole human race would be 5 years behind without google search engine, android and hundreds of other innovations made or supported by this company.
Are u willing to stop using google search, google maps, android phones, smart TVs, facebook, insta, messnger, whatsapp and google drive, google cloud, google photos, youtube and gmail too? If u have ethical uses why would you contribute to their revenue? Let me know how it goes.
Congrats to Facebook on overtaking Uber as the most hated company. This serves as strong indicator that now is probably a great time to go to Facebook. People will get bored soon and have to find a new company to post their self righteous indignation about.
The interview questions were fair. Difficult, but that’s to be expected.
The problem was with the interviewers I met throughout the day. The first person came into the room with his hand in a bag of Cheetos. Licked his fingers clean then tried to shake my hand. He looked at me a bit strange when I did not want to touch his Cheetos and saliva covered fingers. He then went on to hastily scribble a problem on the board without saying a word and then pulled out his phone and make a phone call. I tried to ask if he needed some time to finish his call before we got started, at which point he gestured toward the phone as if I was being rude and should be more reverent to him and then waved me off in the direction of the problem. So I sat and waited for him to finish his call. In that time I emailed the recruiter I was dealing with and by the time someone else got to the room to ask him what was going on, the damage was done.
The other two interviewers I had after that were not nearly as awful, but they both very clearly did not want to be there and all three were people I would have been on a team with so I packed up my stuff and left.
@autodesk, when was that. It sounds like the interviewer was not trained on interviewing. That likely was many years ago. If it's recent you should write up your experience and ask the recruiter to share this with the hiring manager.
@uber, that makes sense. I did tell the recruiter about it immediately and asked that it was reported. I never heard anything back and the recruiter ghosted so I just wrote Facebook off entirely at that point. I have friends that work there and they in general like it, but my personal experience was so intensely awful that I see no reason to ever try again no matter what has been changed.
The tech is so backward that one of the interviewers perhaps didn't even know that priority queue is available as a standard data structure and it's not necessary to know the implementation for using it to solve problems. Maybe you all Amazonians, still code each and every data structure by hand.
I think you missed the point of the interview. A priority queue is a pretty simple problem that you can use to showcase that you know how to program. I would expect it to be used as a phone screen question, sort of like FizzBuzz
Bad interviewers at Amazon? Let me chime in! Two weeks ago I was tasked with solving a problem with a specific time complexity. I solved the problem but couldn’t get the exact complexity and when I asked the interviewer how to do it she said it was impossible. So she asked me to do something that was impossible.
And the interviewer before her was a complete asshole. Dude was rude and fucking annoying , I could hear him sigh every 30 seconds. Seriously fuck that place I got a job with a much better company 4 days later .
My Amazon interviewer asked me how Java GC collector works.. I told him the basically theory you'd find online. Then he asked to go deeper and describe how it is implemented.. "did you read the source code?".. Like what kind of freakin nerds do you have there, that read Java GC source code to prep for interview?!
Even an Expedia hiring manager asked me the implementation of Concurrent HashMap and several other things that we just take as a given or standard part of the language. The point is that not knowing these things doesn't prove anything. Questions which can be looked up anytime online shouldn't be asked. It's the problem solving that should be rather tested. But, even they they overblow it. They will give you a complex maze or graph problem with recursion, DP or backtracking involved and ask you to code the optimum solution. Even if solving these problems may be just a matter of practice, it doesn't seem too exciting of work now.
The guy from Vanguard was time travelled from 1990s to present. Dude, how can you ask what's wrong with yahoo!!! It does not exist. 2019 yahoo is product for verizon, by verizon and of verizon. It is verizon media. You get verizon company phone that is the only perk. No wlb, no job security, poor pay, poor immigration, poor benefits, poor bonus, poor management, poor executives, stale tech, poor engineering culture, and keep counting.
I just don't like their industry. I like to feel like my work helps to make the world a better place. At athenahealth i feel like I'm helping to modernize the healthcare industry, which is severely behind the times.
I find it hilarious that people are mostly talking about FAANG where there so many shitty companies out there. Reassures my point of how most of the people working for those companies live in a big bubble without any notion of how the real world is... so many other shitty companies and everyone is talking about those where most kids coming out of college would give an arm and a leg to work for any of them.