Companies ignoring salary disclosure law?

Chariot / Eng eyGR66
Aug 4, 2018 32 Comments

Interviewing with an SV decacorn and asked for compensation numbers.

They shared salary / target bonus / stock refresh numbers for my expected level but none of them are *pay ranges* as required by California law. I have no idea if these numbers are bottom, median, or where they think I fall.

Should I push the issue and risk harming my chances of an offer? Is there any good way to bring this to the attention of a relevant regulator / city department?

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TOP 32 Comments
  • Morgan Stanley raptor64
    What a great way to lose your offer and be a dick
    Aug 4, 2018 5
    • Google HRBP
      I think it's the company that is a dick by breaking the law.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • HERE / Mktg batonrouge
      And that's Google who is saying it. Of course.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Chariot / Eng eyGR66
      OP
      Wanting the company to follow the law is being a dick?
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Walmart.com fnx2018
      What you smoke??? Or you are a dick to not understand the meaning of dick.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Kronos / Other ddssa
      Walmart.com? What did you get in return for selling your soul?
      Aug 5, 2018
  • Proofpoint / Other foodtruckj
    What TC are you being offered?
    Aug 4, 2018 6
    • Proofpoint / Other foodtruckj
      Then this is not the time to discuss compensation. If they are a decacorn, they will have great pay and RSUs.
      You need to focus on cracking the onsite interview and killing it.

      The reason they are being vague is because they don't know your onsite performance and your overall value (soft skills and technical skills).
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Chariot / Eng eyGR66
      OP
      ^ Two things:

      1) Legally they are not allowed to be vague. If I ask for a range they MUST give it.

      2) The reason it matters is that it takes time and energy to interview. I’m disinclined to schedule an on-site without a good sense of whether it’s worth the trouble. Decacorn pay is great but so does my current role!
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Intel / Mktg nononsense
      I don't know what you are hung up about, honestly. They gave you a specific number. Which is more informative than a range and is not vague at all. If you won't take the job for that money and you think interviewing is too much work then don't interview. It seems extremely straightforward to me.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Microsoft / Sales
      FUPM_CE!

      Microsoft Sales

      PRE
      Dell
      FUPM_CE!more
      Then don't pursue the job, trust me they don't want you
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Quora thebumble
      ^ This.
      Aug 4, 2018
  • Amazon / Ops
    Insomzonia

    Amazon Ops

    BIO
    (TKD) I’m the reason you’re here.
    Insomzoniamore
    Record your next interview. Report if you *don’t* get an offer.
    Aug 4, 2018 6
    • Amazon / Ops
      Insomzonia

      Amazon Ops

      BIO
      (TKD) I’m the reason you’re here.
      Insomzoniamore
      >>>Go away HR
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Facebook Mixitup
      You can actually go to jail for it
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Amazon / Ops
      Insomzonia

      Amazon Ops

      BIO
      (TKD) I’m the reason you’re here.
      Insomzoniamore
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Indeed / Eng Folipoiloc
      Drive to a single consent state first
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Charter / Ops Zhdh13
      Driving to a single consent state won't work if the other party is in a dual consent state.
      Aug 5, 2018
  • Aon Hewitt rundmc
    I just ask for a range and they provide it
    Aug 4, 2018 5
    • Chariot / Eng eyGR66
      OP
      That’s my point - I specifically asked for a range and they didn’t provide it!
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Quora thebumble
      ^ then you have your answer. You want an offer here, alongside some signal of fair pay and so this is bothering you. They don't think your skills are hard to find so are not budging. Also, just having a range isn't super helpful. You could be interviewing for Staff at Google whose range is pretty large but that doesn't mean you can demand median, p90 or something like that. They're going to use your existing compensation, years of experience etc. to decide that to be fair with other people in that range.

      An alternative would be to interview with some other similar company and get a fair range. It'd help you reach a closure with fairness that you fall in the range. But like I shared, range isn't helpful at all. It would just guarantee you atleast p0 compensation.

      If you push too hard, they may not give you an interview and unless you want to drag them to the court, I'd let it pass.

      The ball is in your court.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Chariot / Eng eyGR66
      OP
      ^ I think you have some misconceptions. As of this year, companies can no longer ask for your compensation, and MUST provide a compensation range if asked.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Quora thebumble
      ^ I think you didn't follow what I'm trying to say. The question isn't about "they MUST" but more about you -- what are YOU going to do should some company NOT provide you the range?

      I sense some degree of naïveté here as well. As an adult, you can't arm twist someone to do something, whether there's a law or not. Please remember that the onus is on YOU to prove their practice is against the law.

      If you can, great!
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Aon Hewitt rundmc
      I'd repeat the question and just say, oh I meant a range, what's the range?
      Aug 4, 2018
  • LinkedIn Al_Bundy
    Ranges are often times misleading to candidates. If you’re told 140-180, all you hear is 180 and expect that. HR compares your experience in years and education against incumbents to set your value. Range means very little. Recruiters can ask only what your “expectations” are, not what you actually make currently. That is the law.
    Aug 4, 2018 2
    • Chariot / Eng eyGR66
      OP
      The point is that they are legally REQUIRED to provide a range when asked.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • LinkedIn Al_Bundy
      But they can tell you anything they want. You have no idea what the correct range is.
      Aug 6, 2018
  • Google bupkis2
    A single number is a (small) range. I don't see a violation here and I don't see what you are getting worked up about. If you like the number, go for it. If you don't, say no thanks... Too low.
    Aug 5, 2018 0
  • LinkedIn ComTruise
    Is that number higher than or similar to what you expect? If so then go through the process till the offer negotiation. If you do well you will have leverage to negotiate for more
    Aug 5, 2018 0
  • Even if they gave a range, would you still want to join?
    Aug 4, 2018 0

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