Company pulled offer after verbal promise

Scotiabank gargantuan
Jul 10 244 Comments

Everything was going good and they said my feedback was very positive. They decided to pull my verbal offer last second and came up with a last second excuse. The company is very large, I’m really irked as to why they did this. Does anyone know?

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  • Indeed egobruiser
    And they can fire you on the first day too and without cause... at least in America. Welcome to freedom.

    Reason enough: Because they can. Just like you can quit and renig when you please.

    When people get all bent out of shape about choosing one employer over another, turning down multiple offers, whether to give two weeks, job hopping, and my favorite: become overly consumed about “burning bridges” - I can’t help but think about these situations. You all seem to forget when employers burn bridges... lay people off with no severance (or notice), forget to promote you or increase your pay for several years, or give the rookie significantly more than you make as a seasoned pro, or walk you out before your two weeks notice even started.

    This is business, your best bet is to remove the emotion and play the game harder. Anyone touting otherwise is full of shit.
    Jul 10 17
    • Microsoft mazz
      Damn I wish I read this a couple years ago. Gave up a dream job because I was scared of the "burning bridges" aspect :(
      Jul 13
    • Amazon / Product TheStreets
      @maybeAAPL that's why you should be demanding a proper rate. It balances out in your favor unless you are making insane gains on RSUs.
      Jul 13
    • Amazon
      wannabe!

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      wannabe!more
      Yeah all s/he is trying to say is that don’t put the company’s interests before your own. Not burning bridges often coincides with personal interests and when that’s the case: don’t burn bridges. But I totally agree with this, personal interests >> burning bridges
      Jul 13
    • IBM fkui
      @egobruiser this is one of the few comments that are "woke". I was looking for this on my original post about burning bridges or not. Not saying burn it to be a stupid rebel, but when the company doesn't give a fu©k about you, why should you, right? Screw the social norms and put yourself first. Totally agree. Very enlightening to read this! 👌🏼
      Jul 13
    • Expedia dot com
      This is why Blind is beautiful. Digging through shitposts and raising my fist up clutching a gold nugget like this.
      Jul 13
  • TD
    No🍌

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    No🍌more
    Hiring ticket got revoked or maybe they found a better candidate.

    Regardless, name and shame.
    Jul 10 3
    • Goldman Sachs fake engineer
      Goldman Sachs, OP was coming here based on their previous thread (GS vs Wayfair).
      Jul 13
    • Zillow Group AL2453z
      This is kind of common in finance, right? When those companies get bearish about the market, they seem to completely change momentum with hiring/firing.

      Wondering about your insight from inside the industry?
      Jul 14
    • Goldman Sachs fake engineer
      Idk about other places, I just know GS recruiting likes to keep candidates on the back burner without any committed headcount so it happens extremely often here. They have to tell you something after you go through all the interviews so they just say "the feedback was good we might make an offer".

      It's a stupid practice because it just pisses people off and lets the desperate ones in (like me lol).
      Jul 14
  • Twitch d mifflin
    Name and shame
    Jul 10 1
  • MetLife / IT Teezo
    If it's not on paper, it doesn't exist.
    Jul 11 5
    • Chase KlTv28
      Exactly.. was hunting for a new job recently, and had one company extend a verbal offer, but not a written one, because “the position isn’t going to officially be open until the first of July”

      Still haven’t heard back from them.... 🙄
      Jul 13
    • New bator
      Please even when it is in on paper it can be pulled. There’s no recourse. Always watch your bottom line so you can absorb getting screwed by an employer .
      Jul 13
    • They can also pull offers that are on paper, doesnt change things that much - happenned to me, AFTER I accepted the offer, too. Not fun, but it happens.
      Jul 13
    • City of Springfield, MA revsfan
      Verbal doesn't mean shit.
      Jul 13
    • Chase KlTv28
      It doesn’t mean shit.. which is why I kept looking and ended up getting a different job.
      Jul 13
  • Microsoft ;2)?"
    Happened to me with Expedia. They offer me SDE2 with shit TC of $130k. Midway during nego they pulled the offer. Then a week later MSFT gave me Senior SDE with $250k TC.

    Fuck Expedia. What makes you think you're even good enough for me?
    Jul 13 4
    • Intel / Eng Samaritan
      Maybe they think you’re over qualified?
      Jul 13
    • Snapchat
      greatu

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      greatumore
      It’s this exact kind of attitude that likely got your offer pulled. Smh
      Jul 13
    • Microsoft ;2)?"
      I wasn't gonna accept their shit tier offer anyway. I had backup offers @ $170-180k.
      Jul 13
    • Microsoft gdsdfss
      Don’t interview with Fuxpedia.
      Jul 13
  • Facebook wwwroot
    Bloomberg lmao
    Jul 10 3
    • Google / Eng Neopets😍
      They did the same shit to me before. Are they known for this?
      Jul 13
    • Amazon poorsde
      they did that to me too, Bloomberg
      Jul 13
    • Cornerstone Vtyi00
      Bloomberg overstaffed on tech big. maybe someone should start an inverse index fund based on tech conference attendance...
      Jul 16
  • Cisco apj2021
    Recruiters on Blind should note this when they are engaging with candidates...seems like a pattern at several companies big and small...
    Jul 13 10
    • Indeed wajahat
      ^ Sounds like you don’t know how to hire people or know what’s involved in the profession. This is why idiots work as police officers. Because some asshat comes along and believes you can give a monkey a gun and train it.

      That many recruiters are not skilled at what they do? I could agree with. But plenty are underpaid with salaries coming in at $15-17 an hour. That does not mean others aren’t overpaid or that the job isn’t needed OR that it needs to be automated/eliminated. The entire hiring process is broken. Recruiters are just a small part of that puzzle.

      So I’m sorry some recruiter somewhere hurt you. But there is truth in the statement, “recruiters are underpaid.”
      Jul 14
    • IBM isnqnah
      $15 an hour sounds about right for a recruiter. It's a very basic desk job.
      Jul 14
    • Indeed wajahat
      Sure when you’re filling a basic role. When you need a specialized skill set, character, level of competence, to solve a unique challenge in an industry where that talent is hard to come by, it changes the simplicity of filling the role. Often, recruiters are so poorly equipped, procuring top talent is then sourced out to a headhunter or talent acquisition firm. And you’re not going to pay $15-17 an hour for that level of service. Like any profession, recruiting has its layers.

      There’s a difference between recruiting for a fry cook and recruiting a director to lead a 35 person team of engineers.

      Try not to be so delusional.
      Jul 14
    • IBM isnqnah
      If you're hiring directors all the time your company is obviously shit. Oh wait I see you're working for indeed which I guess explains alot. Recruiters sift through information to try and find a candidate to interview for a job. They don't actually do any of the hard parts of the hiring process. Everything a recruiter does is an easily automated task, actually figuring out if a candidate is the right person to hire is never left to the recruiter. Think about what a recruiter does. Sift through LinkedIn profiles or resumes. (Easily automated and will be in the future), scheduling interviews and potentially some initial HR level discussions and they are also the point of contact for the candidate (which if you think about it, is very similar to call centers for tech support a job that is so easy it's outsourced to third world countries)
      Jul 14
    • Indeed wajahat
      Has shit to do with hiring directors all the time. My point speaks to the fact that there are a wide range of roles, pain points, and needs for an organization.

      And nice try talking shit about Indeed. I’m sure the org will be so incredibly hurt by your pathetic attempts at an insults.

      You were a POS out the gate. Incapable of developing a strong argument without throwing around insults and failing to holding yourself up after I responded.

      I know exactly what a recruiter does. You clearly have no idea. You’re only here to demean people. An anonymous troll on a binge. Maybe you should find some work to do, or you might be better off having your job outsourced seeing as how truly useless and toxic you come across. A recruiter probably brings more value in a week than you do in a year of working. 🤣

      Kick rocks.
      Jul 15
  • Capital One / Eng
    Stevejobb

    Capital One Eng

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    A code enthusiast, maintains a low key profile in general.
    Stevejobbmore
    Same thing but paper offer got rescinded after signing it!
    Jul 11 9
    • Twitch d mifflin
      Fookin’ hell.. name and shame
      Jul 13
    • Wells Fargo qUyB01
      I wonder whether legal options can be pursued in a case like mhc
      Jul 13
    • Atlassian / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      Unlikely in most US states without legislative changes
      Jul 13
    • Centrify / Sales NIRC75
      My wife had to do this to someone last year. Had just hired him to work in her London office, he’d quit his job and was due to start Monday morning. Late Thursday night wife’s C-suite boss calls her and tells her they’re closing the London office, and she had to fire the guy the day before he started.

      He sued, they settled for a hefty sum (UK employment laws are different) and wife quit shortly thereafter, as this was just another sign of a shitty company. You don’t decide to close an office with 60+ people working in it in a day...they knew and let her hire the poor guy.
      Jul 18
    • Atlassian / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      A whole office of 50+ people at once can (and probably should) qualify as a "plant closure" which is one of the few ways to get the federal government involved in the U.S - you typically need to give 60 days of notice or 60 days severance in lieu of notice.
      Jul 18
  • New bator
    I got recruited away from a company that made a counter offer which caused the company recruiting me to up their offer. This was all done through a recruiter. Arrived on day 1 and HR asked for previous pay stubs and W-2 and all this *technically* not illegal (in my state) but SUPER SHADY stuff. I should have run screaming but I was already hired, my recruiter assured me all was well. It was not. Well HR lied and said I had falsified records, which I had not. I was fired. Unemployment agreed with me and I got more in unemployment than in the time I worked at the company. 😂 They were pissed. It was nice to screw them. Within a few months the entire team was gone, including the head of the department who sided with HR over me. That dept head still hasn’t bounced back into a comparable role. 😂😂😂 Karma is a witch. You need to make sure you do right by people because sh*t goes down the ladder and you never know what rung you may find yourself on.
    Jul 13 4
    • Esri / IT mr.ankit
      I might be asking very basic question but what is unemployment you mentioned here? Does everyone has this right?
      Jul 13
    • Microsoft 🐁Pinky😜
      I'm confused... Why did they say you falsified records?
      Jul 13
    • New bator
      In US if you lose your job through no fault of your own (lay-off) you can get unemployment. The company thought by lying and saying I had lied about my previous salary that they could justify firing me. I appealed to the unemployment office and they agreed - after looking at the documents - that the company had lied about the reason for terminating me so I was granted unemployment. It’s way less than your salary but companies have to pay into it and so it can screw them if they have an employee claim. It’s funny how seemingly normal people can be so shady.
      Jul 13
    • Facebook / Eng impaccted
      If you fire a bunch of people you have to pay more unemployment tax as a business IIRC
      Jul 15
  • Nutanix Sunilout
    Several companies do this often. Some even interview just to get information if you worked for one of their competitors - Appdynamics, VMware, Scale Computing all interview to get info with no intent of hiring.
    Jul 13 4
    • That's bad.
      Jul 13
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      This looks really a bad practice, if correct.
      Jul 13
    • CDK Global / Design CDKreator
      That's unprofessional and shading, if I had proof I would go public. that is serious
      Jul 13
    • Fastly 2Legit2
      BS. That would be a complete waste of recruiters and hiring managers time and a huge cost to a company’s expenses.
      Jul 13
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    • Medallia no regrats
      Counting isn’t your strength.
      Jul 13
    • Oracle / IT
      l00tb0x

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      l00tb0xmore
      Luckily greatu is not a cashier.
      Jul 13
    • Broadcom Ltd. POHQ01
      Do you let the candidates know if the referral given by the candidate screwed them because usually the candidate will ask the reference if they are willing to give a positive one thanks
      Jul 13
    • Microsoft
      shiniba

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      shinibamore
      Revoke after giving out offer because of reason 1-6 still leaves bad mouth. Either the company should have done research earlier or the company is too mean and unable to embrace change. Company like this should be avoided.
      Jul 13
  • TD Ameritrade BVJp84
    Verbal offer != Paper offer. If it ain't on paper, then it didn't happen.
    Jul 11 10
    • New ianto
      Ah, interesting. Thanks for the insight.
      Jul 13
    • Microsoft fang2
      @auc, is it msft?
      Jul 13
    • Bank of America AUCD50
      Yeah , this is probably it. I sent an email saying this is below my target range. Waiting for their response now.
      Jul 13
    • Bank of America AUCD50
      It’s an investment bank in nyc
      Jul 13
    • Splunk / Eng ImaRainbow
      These days the traditional offer-letter (on physical letterhead in an envelope) is getting phased out. The new-normal looks a lot more like Workday and Docusign, the way buying a house changed in the last 10 years. Granting an offer means sending a Workday link, probably with a bunch of docusign disclosure agreements; pulling it means deleting access to the workflow in Workday.
      Jul 14
  • Goldman Sachs
    DJ D-Sol

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    DJ D-Solmore
    Was it Deutsche Bank 😂
    Jul 11 2
    • Slalom Consulting / IT
      Girthy

      Slalom Consulting IT

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      Girthymore
      Deutsche has a new derivative where you bet on fractions of unhired candidates 😁
      Jul 11
    • Bloomberg / Eng
      leapfrog

      Bloomberg Eng

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      leapfrogmore
      Lol that's cold
      Jul 11
  • Goldman Sachs fake engineer
    It was GS right...
    Jul 11 4
    • BlackRock / Eng saywat
      Nope it was Bloomberg OP already said it in their comment
      Jul 12
    • Goldman Sachs fake engineer
      Lol no they didn't...OP never revealed in this thread. The OP was trying to decide between Wayfair and GS in another thread recently and was going to go for GS.

      GS did it to me too, except the excuse was headcount, and they shuffled me to another part of the team. Yes, my employer sucks.
      Jul 12
    • Uber whiptest
      Happened to me with Goldman too. Good feedback, they kept in contact saying the offer was coming, and it never did
      Jul 13
    • Twilio uCYy06
      Happened to me with GS too. Won't talk to that company again
      Jul 13
  • Google GoldenPant
    This happened to me right out of college. I had received a job offer, signed all of the paperwork, turned down other interviews/offers, everything. All I had to do was graduate a month later and start.

    Weirdly, they were asking me if I could start before school ended. Silly me, I thought that was ridiculous, so I maintained that I could start the week after school finished. They must have known something.

    A few weeks later, I got a phone call - they were rescinding my offer. There was some org wide hiring freeze, and apparently that included employees with offers but hadn't started yet.

    I was lucky in that I was able to frantically reschedule interviews and apply to new jobs. I ended up somewhere better, but it could have gone the other way.

    To satisfy those who want name and shame: GE.
    Jul 13 2
    • Not surprised. GE is garbage from top down. I can attest to that.
      Jul 13
    • IBM
      goalz

      IBM

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      goalzmore
      GE lowballed me with the offer and then downgraded my position which was committed
      Jul 13
  • Capital One / Eng aeYv53
    What was the last second excuse?
    Jul 11 4
    • Scotiabank gargantuan
      OP
      Mixed interview feedback, lol??
      Jul 11
    • Lyft UAnB00
      Probably bad backchannel feedback
      Jul 13
    • Amazon Dingo8UrBB
      “Failed to hire competent interviewer”
      Jul 13
    • Akamai Technologies Nan0Nan0
      Which company did this?
      Jul 13
  • Bloomberg / Eng
    leapfrog

    Bloomberg Eng

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    leapfrogmore
    Can't put all eggs in one basket. One company wanted me to put two weeks in on verbal, I said GTFOH. Never stop interviewing until you get your first check, even the second sometimes
    Jul 11 2
    • Goldman Sachs fake engineer
      That's aggressive but now that I think of it, you're totally right...
      Jul 13
    • I like this approach
      Jul 13
  • Chase / IT
    Irvd70

    Chase IT

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    Irvd70more
    Even paper offer can be rescinded 😐
    Jul 11 1
    • Deloitte / IT lKff42
      Happened to me. Had a paper offer for a few months before I graduated. Was about to accept the offer when I got an email saying they were retracting it. Luckily I had another offer to fall back on. Also lucky I didn't work there. They ended up doing two waves of lay offs not long after I got that email.
      Jul 11
  • Bank of America / Product Quacky
    I've had to deliver this message before when funding was pulled :/
    Jul 11 1
    • MSCI JonasR
      And from the other end (happened with me too) the only thing i can suggest : name and shame...
      Jul 11
  • VMware vm2018
    Funny thing was the Cisco hiring manager (Umbrella of SBG) called and apologized to me and said that Cisco does not deserve highly talented candidate like me, I would be disappointed by working there. He also told me that he did not like the environment himself :-), unheard of in history!!
    Jul 13 0

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