Company without URA?

Amazon / Eng KInB14
Jul 13 11 Comments

Do you guys know any good known companies which don’t follow fixed #URA goal/policy? And has good work culture?

I guess different companies might have their own jargons for URA. It means un regretted attrition, where an org has to layoff fixed number/percentage of people. The number is decided year ahead. The managers in org then have to meet this target.
Managers then have to show targeted number of employees as poor performers (even if they are not) and fire them.

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TOP 11 Comments
  • GrubHub grubster
    Amazon is the only large scale tech company that has this old school “must fire bottom 10%” BS that Peter Drucker invented. Google, Facebook, and Microsoft don’t do this. I’m pretty sure rest of FAANG doesn’t either.
    Jul 13 4
    • Amazon / Eng KInB14
      OP
      Appreciate your time for answering this. 😊
      Jul 13
    • Amazon acker
      Actually Google has a target, though it's unofficial, it's enforced with the phrase "deviation from historical norms is strongly discouraged". Facebook has a strict up or out policy, you need to get promoted by a deadline or you get fired. Netflix doesn't have a quota but probably fire the most anyway.

      Here's reality:

      All of the top tech companies have high expectations and won't let you coast.
      Jul 13
    • Google wkkjy
      @acker, G is having a hard time hiring people, there is no reason to fire anyone. Stop spreading lies. I have seen terrible performers who were still given a mets all rating.
      Jul 13
    • Amazon acker
      Get you manager drunk one day and learn the truth. Google managers effectively do have targets to hit, based on the historical rates for their org. Google likes to pretend it's all sugar and honey but Google managers are ultimately as tough as at any other top tech.
      Jul 13
  • Amazon acker
    All FANG companies have some process, it's not always a fixed target.
    Jul 13 5
    • Google wkkjy
      Stop spreading lies. G does not fire unless you were absolutely terrible. FB also does not like to fire anyone. But unfortunately they have lowered their hiring bar while keep the perf bar high. So they need to clean up the ones that are terrible.
      Jul 13
    • Amazon acker
      Amazon and Facebook don't fire people unless they are terrible as well. We fire 5% and that's about the error rate in our hiring process (which is less rigorous than yours).

      Google doesn't have a company wide target but orgs in Google are expected to hit their "historical norm" for terminations. It's not mandatory but senior managers have to explain themselves if they don't, so they usually do.
      Jul 13
    • Google wkkjy
      @acker: In the past 2 years, 4 out of 20 people under my senior manager have changed teams. They are struggling to keep existing people around. It is considered a victory if the person just changes teams becuase at least Google is still able to us them elsewhere. So how on earth can they fire people? What historic norm are you talking about? Maybe the norm is 0%? GTFO man! U have been give wrong information my friend.
      Jul 13
    • Amazon acker
      Nevertheless your company has this as a defacto policy. Just letting you know. It's not mandatory but if you don't hit you historical termination ratio then you will have a lot of questions to answer.
      Jul 13
    • Amazon / Eng KInB14
      OP
      @acker first of all thanks for sharing your opinion. I can’t speak for other companies but your opinion about Amazon are misleading.

      @wkkjy thanks for the info!
      Jul 15

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