Confused between 2 offers - workday vs coupang.

Juniper cPTO64
Feb 23, 2018 36 Comments

I have an offer from workday for a Cloud Software Engineer P3, and Senior Cloud Engineer at Coupang.

125k base/130k stock over 4years /20 sign on / RSU Refresh at Workday.

140k base/10000 pre-ipo options (@$1.95 present)/10k sign on/10% annual bonus. Expected IPO in 2020.

Work is similar in both the companies and I like both the teams. Any suggestions or advices guys?

Growth and pay are important to me. I'm not sure if I will stay in any company for more than 2 years but at least for now no.

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  • Coupang / Eng
    zzzzxxxx

    Coupang Eng

    PRE
    Amazon
    zzzzxxxxmore
    Total comp look pretty close. We are still growing pretty fast but still slightly risky vs public companies.
    Depending on teams, there may be communication issues so see if your team will be pretty independent of hq.
    Feb 23, 2018 8
    • Coupang / Eng
      zzzzxxxx

      Coupang Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      zzzzxxxxmore
      Not in Mountain view, not sure.. Seattle is 3 days this year.
      Feb 23, 2018
    • Juniper kamalh7
      Thanks. Appreciate your response again. Do you think I still have room to negotiate with coupang? How far they go for a senior se role.
      Feb 23, 2018
    • Coupang / Eng
      zzzzxxxx

      Coupang Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      zzzzxxxxmore
      That is L5, i think the cap was 150k last year so you are getting a pretty solid base.
      Feb 23, 2018
    • New / Eng
      hiskyliu

      New Eng

      PRE
      Electronic Arts
      hiskyliumore
      I got a senior SDE offer from Coupang Seattle office last Oct. it was 140k + 30k sign on + 30000 options after negotiation. You can ask more.
      Feb 23, 2018
    • Juniper kamalh7
      Thanks mate. Thats a good thing to Know
      Feb 23, 2018
  • Workday / Eng vNtf04
    Tell workday you have another 140k offer and ask them to match. Might be hard to budge on other numbers. Also a p3 and my grant is similar to yours.
    Feb 23, 2018 3
    • Juniper kamalh7
      Thanks, I signed offer with workday and coupang came in a week later. Do you think Workday will still be willing to negotiate? Also about RSU Refresh can you throw some light on that? What is the vesting for refresh and %. The recruiter says the rsu refresh vesting depends in what manager decides and not fixed.? TIA
      Feb 23, 2018
    • Workday / Eng vNtf04
      If you already accepted you won’t have much leeway unless you want to risk burning bridges. Need to Time your interviews and offers better next time. I only joined recently but I’m told 90% if employees get a refresh. The amount is a percentage of your initial grant. Not sure what the average is
      Feb 23, 2018
    • Juniper kamalh7
      Thanks mate. Vesting period for RSU refresh?
      Feb 23, 2018
  • New L15
    Both packages are very close on cash/liquid stock. The options do have some value, but you have a very small number so it’s not going to be big upside. I’d still take the faster growing company because it’s going to be better for career growth.
    Feb 23, 2018 7
    • Juniper kamalh7
      Thanks mate
      Feb 23, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng loo
      What is 10000 rsu option of coupang worth ? How are the two options close ?
      Feb 26, 2018
    • Workday jaf2116
      Keep in mind, Workday has very generous RSU refreshes, from 50 to 100% depending on the team. There’s a lot of internal movement and career latitude at Workday (it’s a people organization after all)
      Mar 23, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng loo
      Do you guys recruit from hackerrank ? I got an email saying workday is interested and asking me to give a test .. in the past I have given such tests and never heard back from anyone..
      Mar 23, 2018
    • Workday jaf2116
      Loo- PM me and we can talk more. Wkday does use HackerRank, yes.
      Mar 24, 2018
  • Workday subotah
    Average RSU annual refresh will be at or slightly lower than half of the standard initial grant for that level. In your case it would likely be 50-60k.
    Feb 23, 2018 2
    • Juniper kamalh7
      Thanks much. Could you tell me what's the vesting period for RSU refresh and also how much hike can I expect in base salary every year?
      Feb 23, 2018
    • Workday subotah
      4 years with 1 year cliff. Base salary hike depends on whether you get promoted or not, if not probably 3-4%. It depends on your performance and the team of course. YMMV.
      Feb 24, 2018
  • Workday vsejpal
    My only comment is if the word "application" is in your title for workday, then make sure it's what u really want to get into. Also in my experience lateral movement is hard to find.
    Apr 3, 2018 1
    • Juniper avengers!
      Title doesn't have application. It's for the cloud engineering team. What do you mean by lateral movement?
      Apr 5, 2018
  • New L15
    Agree with that sentiment. It takes a lot to IPO these days. Unless they already have their public CFO today, and already running board meetings like a public company, and are already $50M+ growing 75-100%, there is no chance of a 2020 IPO.
    Feb 23, 2018 1
    • Juniper kamalh7
      Makes sense.. tq
      Feb 23, 2018
  • Workday POcw856
    Biased here, clearly. That said, but everyone is pre-ipo....and very few actual ipo happening. Workday stock is real cash, with a stock price that keeps going up. Just food for thought.

    On a related note, I love working here :)
    Feb 23, 2018 1
    • Juniper kamalh7
      Awesome mate. Can you throw some light on RSU Refresh and its vesting?
      Feb 23, 2018
  • Workday BcDaKh
    If you're thinking about long term growth, Workday should win hands down. The refresh program alone will have your total comp grow significantly each year. ISOs at the other company will be worthless for many years, and then after that no guarantee they become anything.
    Feb 23, 2018 1
    • Juniper kamalh7
      Makes sense, thanks mate. I wanna get clarification on RSU Refresh. Can u throw some light - like % and vest period.
      Feb 23, 2018
  • New / Mgmt
    idiot45

    New Mgmt

    BIO
    I get things done.
    idiot45more
    If you're on immigration visa, workday is better choice. Every startup is pre-ipo when they want to hire you.
    Feb 23, 2018 0
  • Amazon ATtE14
    Take one with higher package
    Feb 23, 2018 0
  • Shutterstock bd42
    What is RSU refresh?
    Feb 23, 2018 1
    • Juniper kamalh7
      Instead of cash bonus, based on ur performance they give a % of your base as RSU at the end of each year. This would be added to your existing RSU vesting schedule.
      Feb 23, 2018

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