Contractor at FANNG vs No Name FTE

New / Eng LosYork
Apr 27 37 Comments

Which one looks better on resume, if you’re the recruiter or interviewer ?

I had one contractor offer at FB, and one Full time offer at a small no name company. Guys help me decide !

Edit: It’s through a third party vendor, so I am a FTE under that vendor and works at FB.
They put this title on LinkedIn
“Engineer @ Facebook via venderName”

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TOP 37 Comments
  • Google / Product dSLG84
    Contractor employed by a vendor, or an actual contractor?
    Apr 27 12
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      @greenleaf

      “resume police” = background checker
      “resume jail” = rescinded job offer for failing the background check
      Apr 27
    • Medallia greenleaf
      First off, background checks typically only check criminal history, and don't all include employment verification. And even those that do -- if someone lists "Google (contractor)" on their resume, they're not going to fail their background check. Only a pedantic twit would consider that inaccurate.
      Apr 27
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      @greenleaf

      Maybe that’s how it works at Medallia. But I know for a fact that at least one huge company in Silicon Valley is way more thorough and actually verifies ALL employment info in the past seven years.

      There is not much to be gained by putting “Google (contractor)” but a lot to lose.
      Apr 27
    • Medallia greenleaf
      Seriously, you have no idea what you're talking about.

      It's clear you've never actually seen the reports that background companies provide, and if you actually had any familiarity with the process you'd know that background check companies don't base their employment verification off what candidates write on their resumes or LinkedIn profiles.

      Employment history verification reports also wouldn't say "this person didn't work at Google", and instead would simply return "unable to verify employment".

      Contrary to your fantasy that companies perform employment verification as though candidates are being vetted for a DOD security clearance, they don't. I'd guesstimate that at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the employment verification reports I've reviewed have at least one "unable to verify" on them (and as often as not, it's simply because companies don't respond to employment verification requests).

      And upon seeing that even the most nit-picky HR admin would simply ask the candidate for the name of the actual firm they were contracted through, and verify *that* employment.

      Keep your ridiculous assertions coming though -- I look forward to you continuing to dig yourself into an even deeper hole and making yourself look like even more of an idiot.
      Apr 27
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      Oh, wow. I had no idea I was talking to a background check expert. I guess your strongly-worded, big blocks of text completely invalidates my experience.

      But what’s weird is that in your big pile of words, you failed to mention that some screening services provide different levels of service. Some companies let the screening partner manage adjudication. Other companies, like the one I am intimately familiar with, choose to manually assess and adjudicate.

      And it is not always “unable to verify employment”. You should be aware that just because you are familiar with one screening process, that doesn’t mean you can make a sweeping generalization across ALL.

      For the one I am familiar with, the adjudication results (which can cover previous employment) can be either “meets”, “potential conflict”, or “does not meet”. The latter can start the FCRA pre-adverse process.

      I should know, I wrote the software of that particular screening company awhile ago.
      Apr 28
  • Google / Eng
    GCoin

    Google Eng

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    GCoinmore
    No Name is not small at all. They are huge in Canada
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Name_(brand)
    Apr 27 0
  • Google
    tsukino

    Google

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    tsukinomore
    NN = Netscape + Nutanix?
    Apr 27 5
    • New / Eng LosYork
      OP
      😂 You answer my question first then I answer yours
      Apr 27
    • Google
      tsukino

      Google

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      tsukinomore
      deadlock lol
      Apr 27
    • Roku rhcp
      Not exactly the best way to get advice. Especially when they guy is trying to clarify your question to answer
      Apr 27
    • Google
      tsukino

      Google

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      tsukinomore
      It's okay, I was half-joking anyway. Presuming that OP already has experience at "no-name" company, the value add of a brand name is more effective when it comes to recruiting. Ideally move to FTE at FB or another comparable later.
      Apr 27
    • New / Eng LosYork
      OP
      Thanks for your opinion.
      To solve the dead lock, NN = NFL & NBA lol
      Apr 27
  • Facebook
    aIvD07

    Facebook

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    aIvD07more
    If you’re in the bay area I don’t think you should put too much thinking into what recruiters would be thinking of your resume later (they chase college kids, why would they phase you out!). I’d suggest that you put more focus on the kind of work you’d do at fb compared to that you’ll do at the small company. Unless you’re gonna be building an impressive system at the small company and get some leadership experience, I’d say take the fb route. You’ll learn so much more and you’ll have more impressive stories to tell your future employers than working at a no name company.
    Respect wise, fb treats contractors very fairly and I never felt someone thinks of me a second class citizen there. I’m happy to help answer any questions about contracting at fb.
    Apr 27 0
  • Dropbox cer
    Contract at Amazon? No. Contract at FNG? Yes
    Apr 27 1
  • Amazon ccQS47
    Fte benefits are worth more than the name
    Apr 27 1
    • New / Eng LosYork
      OP
      The offer is full time under a third party vendor
      Apr 27
  • Facebook sum41pwd
    Depends on what you’re doing, but I would say contractor. Meals, shuttle and a number of other perks are available to all. The networking is also important in the long term, I have contractor friends who I refer to internal roles all the time, there is the added benefit of being able to reach out to hiring managers and chat directly.

    If you have no intention of joining FB long term, you can disregard most of what I said. I also have a friend who isn’t allowed to work for the client (FB) for 2 years after they leave the current vendor, so something else to factor in.
    Apr 27 2
    • New / Eng LosYork
      OP
      I appreciate hearing that you connect with contractors as friends, different than what I hear from other horror stories that treating contractors like 2 tier citizen.

      Joining FB definitely is in one of my bucket list. But other than FB, I wonder if your contract friends got more opportunities at other places by putting FB on the resume ?
      Apr 27
    • Facebook sum41pwd
      I don’t see why they would get less opportunities, then again, depends on the specific role maybe.
      Apr 28
  • Facebook / Eng
    alterego2

    Facebook Eng

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    nice eng
    alterego2more
    What role is this ? In Eng I see close to no contractor in FB. Otherwise, as a contractor the only difference between a FTE is the badge collor, is not like in other places where even the email signals that you are temporary in the company
    Apr 27 3
    • Facebook sum41pwd
      Badge color? Unless this is new, I don’t believe we differentiate badges
      Apr 28
    • Facebook / Eng
      alterego2

      Facebook Eng

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      nice eng
      alterego2more
      The background for badges is a shade of light blue for contractors. The difference is not striking, and , it has been for some long time. I think
      Apr 28
    • New / Eng LosYork
      OP
      It’s through a third party vendor, so I am a FTE under that vendor and works at FB.
      They put this title on LinkedIn
      “Engineer @ Facebook via venderName”
      Apr 28
  • Mozilla TdOc42
    Also, as a contractor through a staffing agency, you’d be more expensive to convert to FTE. The staffing agency usually gets a 20-30% cut of your salary if the company (FB) decides to convert you to FTE (called a “conversion fee”, which applies even after you leave the company (FB), up to 12-18 months after your last date of hire.). For that reason, some hiring managers are hesitant to convert contractors or hire former contractors, even if the employee is solid.

    That isn’t to say contractors never convert. Many do. But it really depends on budget.
    Apr 28 0
  • Amazon cec7iw
    That is the TC offer of the Contractor role?
    Apr 27 2
    • New / Eng LosYork
      OP
      110k base salary for 1 YOE (yes benefits by vendor, no stock and bonus
      Apr 27
    • New / Eng LosYork
      OP
      I guess in TC wise, contract == no name < FANNG ?
      Apr 27
  • Mozilla TdOc42
    Contractor = Temp employee, by a fancy name. As a temp employee, you have very minimal benefits and labor protections.

    Companies like to hire contractors (temps) because it provides them with flexibility to lay-off workers during restructuring. As a contractor, you would NOT be eligible for a severance package should the company decide to restructure. Your contract could be terminated at any time. It’s risky.

    Additionally You may be missing out on crucial benefits like HSA/FSA, 401k matching, Wellness/gym reimbursements, and GOOD health insurance. (Staffing agencies’ healthcare is often crap.)

    Take the FTE.
    Apr 28 0

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