Country cap on green cards

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Jul 10 37 Comments

US House passes bill removing country cap on green cards

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  • New / Strategy
    Porsche996

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    As a Singaporean, I welcome this bill. I've seen countless Indian peers stuck with their dreams due to GC. It doesn't matter if it's slaughter house or FAANG but employees take unfair advantage over this and I see more and more managers exploiting the Indian peers. When US is built based on no discrimination BS then why should be it considered on GC processing. Diversity counts but not sure if intelligence triumph over diversity. Bringing Nigerian princess isn't going to make the economy any stronger in contrast.
    Jul 10 6
    • New / Strategy
      Porsche996

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      I don't claim the Nigerian princess is NOT intelligent but the question is who is more capable? I have seen Big4 targeted hiring of Indian orginis from non Indian birth place to win over the GC race. This GC cap also encourages employers to hire Indians by some sense. Don't you think so?
      Jul 11
    • Nutanix 1adja134
      My opinions are that the green card should be given based on pure meritocracy. So if it has to be given to top 10 individuals and 9 of them are Indians, while one of them is a Nigerian princess then so be it. That split of races can go any which way but the judging factor should be a clearly defined level of skill, with no bias as to where the person is coming from or what race the person is. However we seem to have country specific queues, to introduce racial diversity in highly skilled workers. In an ideal scenario racial diversity and high skill go hand in hand, but it tends not to be the case. If we skew towards high racial diversity, there is a drop in the skill level we let in but such is the world. In regards to what we should prioritize in the short term, I think it should be high skill. Maybe diversity down the road.
      Jul 11
    • New / Strategy
      Porsche996

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      Of course yes a GC petition is based on meritocracy. If you're coming from family based GC that's another debate. But you see both are stuck in this process and there is another bill in process for family based GCs.
      Jul 11
    • Apple / Eng Marijuana
      I agree with diversity of workers. I disagree with diversity of green cards while h-1b folks are mostly indian and chinese.

      Consulting companies know this, which is why they hire Indians (and not russians, eastern europeans, or latin americans).
      Jul 11
    • New / Strategy
      Porsche996

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      Again I don't know why India and Asia is considered to be one country cap given the varied cultures and dialects. Atleast North and South has extremely divergent culture and values to make-up for diversity in both countries. In US it's quite possible to see someone from PA living in CA for years but that's quite uncommon in India/China. They prefer to wander around their inner circle expect few cosmopolitan hubs. This doesn't make up but my reasoning with the amount of population and the folks they churn out, the number don't match.
      Jul 11
  • Optym OBvX83
    If this passes the Senate and the Big Pumpkin, adios America! I'm definitely not waiting 15 years for a green card.
    Jul 10 9
    • Apple / Eng Marijuana
      Be the change, good riddance.
      Jul 11
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      That's their choice if they'll be happily waiting for 100 years
      Then it’s your choice if you’ll be happy waiting for 15 yeas lol!
      At least it is more fair and everyone has the same wait time
      Jul 11
    • Optym OBvX83
      Well, my point was that for me personally, a 15 year wait for a GC is not worth it. Yes, the jobs pay well in US and there are more opportunities. But it's not really worth a 15 year wait. I can be financially stable and happy back in my home country or somewhere else too. I get that you guys are stoked about this bill and emotional, but flagging posts, bullying and censoring everyone with a different perspective is not mature.
      Jul 12
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      Well Indians have a tendency to flag
      Posts that disagree with them. I can agree withy you on that.
      That being said, there is a difference between a different perspective and being against fairness.
      Jul 12
    • Apple / Eng Marijuana
      No one has heard about Optym anyway, feel free to leave the country you won't be missed.
      Jul 12
  • Nutanix 1adja134
    The core problem is the Indian backlog (or maybe any other GC backlog) isn’t filled with highly skilled workers, I think that needs to be revisited. Once that is done, the queues for these countries will empty up more and we don’t need to affect diversity or whatever other reason we have country specific queues for.
    Jul 10 3
    • Amazon dighit
      The core problem is there are a lot more developers from India because the country encourages STEM. Of course there are low skilled workers but they exists from every country. Look at the pizza workers that end up on green cards.
      Jul 10
    • Nutanix 1adja134
      Your argument is invalid. A better core problem you could have suggested is that America doesn’t produce enough STEM devs out of its own citizens to compete with what India produces.
      Jul 11
    • Nutanix 1adja134
      America has always been a land of opportunity, you can’t ask US to depart from that identity because you have fewer Americans being able to take those opportunities than other countries
      Jul 11
  • Google jORa67
    Fuck Silicon Valley. Fuck these shitty companies fucking over America.
    Jul 10 5
    • Nutanix GimV31
      😂 😂😂
      Jul 10
    • Nutanix GimV31
      GOOG seems to have done fairly well under Sundar Pichai. Are you mad at him too?
      Jul 10
    • Nutanix 1adja134
      I’m just surprised at this first sentence, forget the rest of it even. “Fuck Silicon Valley”. Really? You worked/work for google that was born out of the valley and helps/ed pay your bills and you’re like fuck that huh
      Jul 11
    • Nutanix GimV31
      ‘Murica! Fuck yeah!!
      Jul 11
    • Uber ndada
      And duck the police! 😂
      Jul 11
  • LinkedIn moooooooo
    They should just sort the queue by TC, or some combination of age and TC
    Jul 11 7
    • LinkedIn nnaiddifve
      Who said everything needs to be accounted for? TC is the most straight forward evaluation of value available, and the least open to gaming.

      Trying to account for COL, for example will likely lead to a rotten abusive system - the h1 process already has prevailing wage determination for that stated purpose exactly and is still easily gamed by Indian consultancies because those wages are never updated.

      The fact that the back logs are full of tech workers from tata and the likes means "other professions" (non tech) are screwed right now anyway, so nutanix's argument above is invalid.
      Jul 11
    • Nutanix 1adja134
      Lol. I don’t get your logic. You’re saying the current system of birth country quota is already broken for non tech folks because of most the Indian backlog is low tech? So breaking the quota won’t result in any further breakdown? That logic is not sound and here’s why. In the current system, not all countries’ queues are filled with low tech like Indian backlog. So if you’re taking equal number of people from each queue then you maintain a better diversity of tech vs non tech as opposed to opening the flood gates on one queue, Indian backlog, and letting all the low tech TCs that edge out non-tech dominate green card yearly quota. Your method exacerbated the problem.
      Jul 11
    • Apple / Eng Marijuana
      I'm not sure that is true. There's plenty of Indians in wall street investment banks, big news media companies, academia, and healthcare.
      Jul 11
    • Microsoft gdsdfss
      Indians are most skewed towards software engineering. Wall st bankers are mostly American born Indians. How frequently do you see Indian nurses? Accountants? Pharmacists? Country with much smaller population like Korea has many more people distributed over different areas.
      Jul 11
    • Apple / Eng Marijuana
      "Wall st bankers are mostly American born Indians" <- only a racist can come up with such blatant lies.

      Plenty of Indian CPA's!
      Jul 11
  • Google / Eng pumaupma
    I don't think it'll pass other parts of the process.
    Jul 10 0
  • Apple / Eng Marijuana
    Duplicate thread
    Jul 10 0