Coupang (FTE) vs Google (TVC)

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I got an offer for non-tech role at Coupang as a direct hire and Google as a TVC (~12 months). I’m not sure which one is more worthwhile in terms of career growth.
Help evaluate offers please. Scope of work is similar but Coupang is reporting to senior executive vs Google is reporting to director/ Sr director level. Thanks!

YOE: 6 (Admin/ Finance/ Ops role)

COUPANG
Location: Mountain View
Base: 100K
Stocks: 10K ISO
Team: Engineering/ SW

GOOGLE (TVC)
Location: Mountain View
Base: $43/ hr with potential for OT
Team: Product Marketing - AR/VR | Google Assistant

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  • Google
    AIMLOK

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    Google TVC, and use your relationship development opportunity with the executives to find opportunity to convert to Full-time.
    Jun 14 3
    • Amazon / Admin
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      Thanks! How easy/ difficult is it to convert? I’ve heard TVCs can be treated differently than Googlers. How would you describe the culture? I’ve worked at Amazon before as FTE and didn’t enjoy my time :(
      Jun 14
    • Google
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      There's no guarantee you can convert, but if you are enterprising, you can build a good relationship with your directors and express your interest in converting. Culture is good, and we remind people to be conscious to each other and treat each other's as equals. Sometimes TVCs are excluded from some events or comms due to legal/policy reasons. I'll bet it's better than amazon.
      Jun 14
    • Amazon / Admin
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      Thank you so much for your honesty! My heart is swaying towards Google but logically speaking, thinking about Coupang due to having a “secure job” with benefits and vacation time would be nice. I’ll give it some thought to think this through. Thanks again! :)
      Jun 14
  • Google uhog
    Coupang.
    Jun 14 4
    • Amazon / Admin
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      Can you help me out with your reasoning? Just based on security of the job or do you have insights about culture there? Any other factors? Appreciate your feedback.
      Jun 14
    • Google uhog
      TVC -> FTE is not easy. Do not make the decision based on that. Treat as a contracting job and nothing else. If you are fine with that go ahead. ( TVCs are great and I see them no different than FTE, but just setting expectations).
      Jun 14
    • Google uhog
      And you can akways reinterview for fte while else where.
      Jun 14
    • Amazon / Admin
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      Great and thank you for the feedback :)
      Jun 14
  • Salesforce op
    $43/hr is roughly $86K/year and probably without benefits or with really shitty ones. How are you planning to survive in Bay Area with this pay?

    Coupang, leetcode, and start interviewing in 6 months.
    Jun 14 7
    • Salesforce op
      Basically pay-wise coupang is 122% of Google. 22% at this level of income in that area are too much to pass on
      Jun 14
    • Amazon / Admin
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      Recruiter for Google TVC role mentioned that there would be overtime pay since it’s hourly but not sure how many OT I would be doing. Thanks again!
      Jun 14
    • Salesforce op
      Recruiter can promise you the world but it means nothing unless specific hours of OT are in contract.

      Now, to compensate diff between coupang and TVC comp you'll have to work extra 9hrs of OT per week (assuming 2 week vacation and OT pay the same as regular).
      Jun 14
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      Thank you! Leaving Amazon due to culture and lower pay compared to two offers above. I got 6 shares of Amazon stocks and the vesting period just doesn’t justify the reason to stay.
      Jun 14
    • Amazon / Admin
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      Coupang would be a salary rate, so no OT pay available. That’s covered for base pay. I’ll need to be available for evenings/ night time depending on the needs of execs in Korea and the my exec here in the Bay Area.
      Jun 15
  • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
    Make sure you won’t be stuck in a TVC-only building. We have started moving TVCs out of the FTE buildings and from what I’ve heard, the TVC buildings have little perks (no cafeterias, no gym, no Techstop, cramped areas, etc).
    Jun 14 3
  • Coupang
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    Join coupang. The culture is good. The work can be stressful but rewarding. You may have some occasional late meetings but your schedule can and will be flexible to accommodate for the night meetings. Plus you get options to purchase. Coupang will likely IPO in 2020 and you’ll have a nice windfall of cash :)

    We are taking all the good ideas successful in the US and not reinventing the wheel to implement in Korea where we are highly successful and continue to grow.
    Jun 15 2
    • Salesforce op
      > We are taking all the good ideas successful in the US and not reinventing the wheel to implement in Korea

      Transition: we are copying American sites for Korean market.
      Reminds me that business plan from the Silicon Valley TV show: "Chinese Reddit, Chinese Facebook, ..."

      ;)
      Jun 15
    • Coupang
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      I don’t think Coupang is trying to hide it. They’re successful in their market and that’s what matters.
      Jun 15
  • Google nrvD43
    Converting to FTE from TVC is not easy, so definitely don't make the choice based on hope of conversion. I think I would still choose Google, but just saying.
    Jun 14 1
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      Thank you!
      Jun 14
  • Indeed LLLc63
    I was in a similar situation. I picked tvc at google, did not convert. Still opened many doors and looks great on resume. No regrets
    Jun 14 1
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      Did you end up going to Indeed? I worry for closing the gap for next role if I don’t get converted. But I’ll definitely try my best if I choose Google.
      Jun 14
  • Google rafaNadal
    If converting from TVC to full time was easy, everyone who wants to get into Google would be doing that.

    What Google will offer you is equality (in almost all the cases, except for a few policy based things), a wonderful work environment, respectful employees and lasting relationships.

    It would be hard to convert into full time, unless you blow your counterparts out the water (and trust me that’s *very* hard to accomplish).

    So if the pay is alright, and if you’d like the experience, by all means pick Google. You’ll love it.

    But if you’d rather be full time and not worry about a new job one year down the line, pick Coupang
    Jun 15 1
    • Amazon / Admin
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      Thanks @rafaNadal! I’m still deciding, I have until end of Tuesday to make my decision. What would you say are some of the cons working at Google?

      I feel like the space is interesting there for Google Assistant/ AR/VR team, plus there would be lots of opportunities due to events/ summits. The only thing holding me back is that this might only be one year (or less if I’m no longer needed).

      Coupang would be a good career growth opportunity as well since it’s a title bump for me (senior) and can develop more dabbling into project coordination, events and reporting to a senior executive. I got feedback Coupang functions more like a start-up of a medium size company.
      Jun 17
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    Updated the teams/ org if it helps! Thanks everyone! :)
    Jun 14 2
    • Coupang Fox is
      Join Google and look out for FTE either at Google or other FANG's. Your opportunity to move around or grow is very limited at Coupnag. I would not count on the IPO to join.
      Jun 15
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      I’ve actually been at FB for contract role (extended from 6 months to one year) prior to Amazon as full-time. I wasn’t able to convert there or else I would have stayed.
      Jun 15
  • Amazon / Data pozbuw
    Also dont converted FTEs from vendors people hover around the bottom of their respective TC bands? Not sure if its worth it, and even on resume its not very good as you need to explicitly mention you worked as a vendor
    Jun 14 1
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      @pozbuw Thanks, that is true. Coupang is a Korean company and I’m not entirely sure how the culture is. I do know that I’ll need to work longer hours due to meetings in Seoul/ China, so I guess the higher base “covers” the extra time worked. HQ is based in KR so I will need to be available some evenings/ night time.
      Jun 14
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    Consider your Pay and it's California which is at will. Both can send you home with COBRA and that's it.
    Jun 14 0

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