DD vs. AMZN vs. G

Mark43 Dath23
Nov 17 37 Comments

Hi Blind,

1. Google L4 (Sunnyvale) - Gmail EngProd
2. DoorDash E5 (SF) - Consumer
3. Amazon SDE II (SF) - AWS (new product)

YOE: 7.5

I did a couple rounds of negotiation and the TCs are around 300k. I will note that the Amazon recruiter did say it was an exploding offer of 4 days.

At Amazon, I would be launching a new product which seems cool and they use tech that isn't just home grown.

DoorDash is currently the leader in the food delivery market.

Google has the best WLB and stability.

Regarding location, SF > Sunnyvale.

Where am I at? If Amazon can bump up my TC by 15 - 20k, I think I will choose them. I would like to experience FAANG and it seems that they have a similar philosophy of shipping things quickly. The product also seems the most interesting.

Please advise.

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TOP 37 Comments
  • Google Rilakkuma
    Why is DoorDash even an option?
    Nov 17 7
    • Mark43 Dath23
      OP
      Well, DD is valued at $13B. Granted, that's not public, so :shrug:.
      Nov 17
    • Google CXqW52
      DD E5 to G L5? No way. Unless you are betting DD to be public and grow as another tier one company, that won’t even close
      Nov 17
    • Mark43 Dath23
      OP
      I'm referring to the pay bands at levels. Check it out: E5 ~ L5.
      Nov 17
    • Facebook
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      Don't count paper money. You DD tc maybe only comparable to Google L3.
      Nov 17
    • Cisco lotr
      E5 in DD is not even close to L4 in G in terms of eng talent. DD has shit engineering culture.
      Nov 17
  • Google parenti
    I've kinda been at all 3 companies, worked at Amazon for a while, then a very similar company to DD in the same space and am now at Google.

    Doordash - fuck paper money, already been burned by that
    Amazon - they'd need to pay me at least 50% more than Google for me to go back
    Nov 17 7
    • Google parenti
      I hate the culture at Amazon and really enjoy the perks and wlb at Google. They'd need to balance that out. Even then I wouldn't want to stay there long term.
      Nov 17
    • Google parenti
      I forgot to mention refreshers. At Google you're going get around 80k of refreshers every year, while they're basically non existent at Amazon. So Amazon's pay isn't actually at par with the current numbers.
      Nov 17
    • Amazon / Eng Albertsuns
      Amazons vests are basically the same thing as refreshers. Except amazons stock had been performing better.
      Nov 17
    • Google b6e
      Amazon cuts your refreshers when the stock is up, because you’re getting paid more than they were aiming for. Google doesn’t do that.
      Nov 17
    • Amazon / Eng Albertsuns
      Well they dont take stock away. Amazons stocks are awarded for the next two years. So your vest is based on an award from ~2 years ago. Ive been here 8 years and year over year my actual comp has been greater than 100k than my target comp due to stock growth.

      Oh and on a down market, Amazon will give you stock to hit your target comp. Google refreshers are independent of the market.
      Nov 17
  • Google slickdealr
    Google no brainer
    Nov 17 0
  • Lyft Daav60
    Find a better option. Airbnb/Strip/Robinhood etc. They pay well and you’ll likely get L5.
    DD = underpaid in 4 years
    GG = Still L4 in 4 years
    Amazon = WLB exploded in 4 years
    Nov 17 1
  • Salesforce mazdaxfer
    Don’t even consider DD
    Nov 17 0
  • Credit Karma ckgogo
    I would expect doordash E5 to be much higher than G L4 on paper, however the equity for doordash is overstated cuz SoftBank valuation...

    If doordash and google actually both come out to 300k then google is easy choice.
    Nov 17 3
    • Mark43 Dath23
      OP
      I think the problem here is that I don't have leverage to bump up DD's offer.
      Nov 17
    • Credit Karma ckgogo
      The problem is that you have a strong Google offer and no offers from comparable tech firms, and so the choice is easy here — Google.
      Nov 17
    • Amazon readme.q
      You do - their stock is air until a liquidation event happens...
      Nov 27
  • Mark43 Dath23
    OP
    I'm pretty surprised at how little support Amazon has gotten considering the locations. The commute to Sunnyvale is pretty horrendous.

    I've seen the lack of support for Amazon across Blind, but is that warranted? You can't doubt the success of their products.
    Nov 17 2
    • Google parenti
      Regarding Amazon vs G, a good data point is people switching between then. I know a ton of people who have gone from Amazon to Google, but 0 who have the other way. Not saying they don't exist, I've never seen one myself.
      Nov 17
    • Google b6e
      I know of two who went from G to A. They both had been at A before and had a sugar daddy there promoting them. They basically used G to level up. They also liked working long hours and having lots of responsibility, and Amazon doesn’t disappoint in either of those.
      Nov 17
  • Glassdoor 0o%
    Join Doordash. Then you can become viral as the one guy who turned down G/A to be a delivery guy or something
    Nov 18 1
    • Credit Karma ckgogo
      Meh I think a lot of people turn down Amazon for Doordash.
      Nov 18
  • Amazon / Eng Albertsuns
    People hate amazon because lack of free food and theres a diva mentality. At higher levels I would personally rather be at Amazon. Make near 400k, project is higher impact and more interesting, i lead it so choose the tech. I bet i cant find that at google. My friends there work 4 hour days stuck at L4 on help page tech. Tech is chosen top down and its usually adopting someone elses promo project. At amazon we mostly do java and aws.

    People voting google is mostly herd mentality. Try and see through the bullshit and think for yourself.

    For me personally google would be good when I want to rest and vest. Amazon is better for learning to be a good efficient developer.
    Nov 17 1
    • Google topCon
      People do not hate Amazon because of lack of free food or diva mentality (whatever that means). It's everything else, really
      Nov 17
  • Amazon akthe
    People like to shit on Amazon for the following reasons:
    Compensation (includes lack of perks) and WLB.
    Read up on Amazon compensation and refreshers. Nonetheless, 300k is the top end of SDE 2.
    WLB, depends on individual teams.

    AWS is a great place to learn. Especially if you are dealing with a new product. I've spent a few years in AWS and I've learnt a lot.
    You seem to be leaning towards AWS. Give it a shot.
    Nov 17 1
  • Capital One not_Rich
    Yoe?
    Nov 17 1
    • Mark43 Dath23
      OP
      Updated!
      Nov 17
  • Lyft wXfl07
    Choices
    1. Suppresses freedom of speech
    2. No future
    3. Crying at desk

    #1 wins ...
    Nov 17 0
  • Microsoft jazzer
    Don’t consider amazon if G is offering same pay. With refreshers at G within a year you’d be higher tc with better wlb.
    Nov 17 0

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