Decline in Software Engineering Opportunities in the U.S.A.?

T-Mobile paxoss
Nov 12 36 Comments

I am a soon to be a new grad with CS major in U.S. and feel there are a lesser amount of opportunities for new grads with B.S. available as I and most of my friends (with or without visa restrictions) are not able to get interviews with a lot of tech companies.

Even after doing fairly good in technical interviews, the companies companions the being very picky about past experience and being hard on candidates.


I also feel the demand for software engineers, in general, is on a decline and we might be preparing for a possible recession in tech jobs?

For example, I have been told:

-> Google is already done with limited Full-time SWE hiring they planned.

-> Lyft, Tableau, AirBnB, Indeed, Uber are on hiring freeze.

-> Adobe, Facebook, Bloomberg, and Salesforce, Stripe are doing very very limited hiring.

-> Amazon is very slow in responding this year, Microsoft is being very picky.

-> LinkedIn is not hiring new grads without Masters.

I have also seen that the majority of companies are hiring via intern pipeline and are hesitant with new grads for sone reason.

Is the above true or is it really getting very competitive?

Can people currently working at tech companies or trying their luck relate to this?



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TOP 36 Comments
  • Google googa
    It's always hard to find a job out of college.. it's always been hard. There is nothing new here
    Nov 12 1
    • Lyft gdhdkf
      In countries like India, getting a job out of college is the easiest! In fact most of them get it while in college.
      Nov 18
  • LinkedIn lckens
    Renowned program and couldn't land a top internship?? Huh

    Internship is the easiest and probably only way to get in nowadays. New grad level is extremely saturated nowadays, and you're competing against all the Indians and chinese masters/phds
    Nov 13 2
    • T-Mobile paxoss
      OP
      Yes, unfortunately.
      Nov 13
    • Ubisoft yLcC27
      Don't think getting Internship would be easy. You're against kids from schools like berkeley/Uwaterloo where LC Hard questions is the norm in their exams
      Nov 13
  • Google DByeX
    I think you are correct. A lot of focus has shifted to industry candidates vs new grads.
    Nov 12 1
    • Amazon rune
      Yes, because there is so much supply now of SWE’s now they can be picky
      Nov 12
  • HPE qRCd73
    *fewer number of opportunities
    Nov 12 0
  • Shopify / Eng QQLy03
    Almost everyday I get recruiters from Uber, Google, Amazon — so I’m not sure about this “hiring freeze” unless these in house recruiters forgot about it too?
    Nov 13 0
  • Google jfyn7488gj
    Its no surprise. Days are always difficult for new grad, we’ve all been through that. The best days for new grad are around 1998-1999(then bubble) and 2013-2014(for this round tech revolution). Then toooooo many people change their career gear to CS for money, then only experienced SDE are valued. You know each individual may not totally control your fate, sometimes need to be lucky enough to fit the correct timing.
    Nov 14 0
  • Bloomberg cap777
    I get tons of emails every day from recruiters and all good companies btw so I don't think there is any hiring freeze. Don't know about new grads though. Bloomberg hires lots of new grads
    Nov 13 0
  • Salesforce dqvkwd
    I know we're hiring like crazy, constantly
    Nov 13 3
    • Salesforce peaceguy
      Are u hiring for interns in your team. I am looking for an internship at Salesforce
      Nov 13
    • Capital One delulu
      Do you know if you’re hiring as much in Bellevue?
      Nov 13
    • T-Mobile paxoss
      OP
      I did coding challenge but haven't heard back since a month
      Nov 13
  • Apple kahnyay
    Agreed, actually. I've seen grads from top US schools like mine struggling a lot this year.

    People with a lot of internships aren't having trouble getting interviews (I myself have done several internships (3/5 FAANG) and recruiters contact me about full time positions every week or so).

    Students at the "1 internship the summer before your senior year" standard are having trouble getting more than their return offer.

    I'm also seeing younger students struggle to get internship interviews, even. I'm not sure that this is because of a sudden new grad saturation though (that's always been the case), more of a correction of the very graduate-sided market we've seen over the past couple of years. Companies are realizing that the insane market we saw the past few years hasn't been necessary to hire new grads for some time, and the industry is reacting.
    Nov 13 0
  • Microsoft Jim Raynor
    As a college hire, you compete against a well established pipeline of recruiters bringing top talent from foreign countries.

    Ask your legislators to pass a bill to stop giving work visa to people with only bachelor and no work experience.
    Nov 22 1
    • New TLYW64
      Looks like someone failed their leetcode
      7d
  • Indeed qwerttys
    Actually Indeed’s hiring freeze has been lifted, but the hiring is more focused on senior/new grad/interns now. No junior dev.
    Nov 13 1
    • T-Mobile paxoss
      OP
      Thanks for the info.
      Nov 13
  • Lyft tttuuejh
    There are plenty startups in the bay area that are dying to hire. Just network and show them value you can offer.
    Nov 12 1
    • Lyft wXfl07
      New grads are not really eligible for Startups!
      Nov 19
  • Salesforce benimeoff
    What university did you attend? Top companies typically want top university candidates. Also, new grad cycle is typically in May/normal graduation. Hiring in general can slow this time of year due to holidays and fiscal year end/2020 planning.
    Nov 13 4
    • T-Mobile paxoss
      OP
      I go to a top CS school, but I guess tech interviews also have a fair amount of luck involved
      Nov 13
    • Salesforce benimeoff
      Well maybe just focus on getting any CS job, you posted top companies above. Less luck needed for entry level SWE roles typically. University gets you the tech screen, but then you have to nail it. None of your statements mention if you had onsites and didnt get offer? Sometimes recruiters let you down easy with BS...
      Nov 13
    • T-Mobile paxoss
      OP
      Did get one onsite at one big 4, but they did not move forward for unknown reasons. But most companies at carrier fair straight up said they are not looking for new Grads and are there for interns (eg FB, Tableau, Indeed, Salesforce). Could not get tech screens others like Adobe, Stripe Uber. What I mean by luck is being asked a Leetcode hard or being compared to other performers from the similar top school who are also typically good at technical interviews. I appreciate your reply though.
      Nov 13
    • Salesforce benimeoff
      Ya, just stick with it. Lot of budgets open up Jan-March at most companies.
      Nov 13
  • T-Mobile
    heckoworld

    T-Mobile

    BIO
    looking for new opportunities...
    heckoworldmore
    I got an email yesterday from a Lyft recruiter for an experienced role. Also a lot of contracting recruiter emails the last few days
    Nov 12 3
    • T-Mobile paxoss
      OP
      Getting emails for experienced roles is normal and is based on role availability. For example someone leaves. However for new grad, its generally becoming harder every year to land a good offer.
      Nov 12
    • T-Mobile paxoss
      OP
      By the way what is your YOE?
      Nov 12
    • T-Mobile
      heckoworld

      T-Mobile

      BIO
      looking for new opportunities...
      heckoworldmore
      5 yoe
      Nov 13
  • Lyft wXfl07
    You are talking about top 20 companies in the USA right now. if you want to be at a top 20 company I hope you are at a top 20 undergrad school. You can get into these companies from lesser schools but you need to have some very unusual and distinguished achievements. For example we hired a newgrad at Google from a nothing Texas school but he started an ISP and had 60 customers starting at age 16. Realize that the average person at Google has a master's degree and a there are more than a thousand PhDs. I feel like Google has maybe 300 to 400 ex-professors on staff also. There were 7 within listening distance of me.
    Nov 19 0
  • Bloomberg aJRs40
    TC or gtfo
    Nov 12 0
  • New JibX86
    I have been a applying since May I got lucky with Google but failed one of my phone interviews. It’s really just a game of luck keep applying you’ll find something soon.
    Nov 12 0
  • Google PvJl86
    No
    Nov 12 0
  • Amazon vztV11
    I submitted a lot of applications ro companies listes here but no response after 3 weeks.
    Nov 12 0

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