Defending cultural differences in the name of political correctness
Maybe I'm missing something, and I'd love to hear your opinions on this so I may understand this prevalent view that I cannot fully comprehend. There are innate differences between American / European culture and laws and those of Asian societies. In order to avoid friction, we need to find ways to coexist in a fair and reasonable manner. Indian culture fosters far closer knit relationships and communities than what we see with westerners. From extended family to friendship groups, often enabled by the community and frequency of social activities from religious activities. It's therefore only natural that when considering these relationships exist in a workplace, favouritism will be given to referring friends and family for job openings, and for promotions. It's not fair or ethical, but it is understandable as human nature. However when this disenfranchises others who are not part of the privileged group, why is this defended in the name of political correctness, with those who call out these indescretions labeled racist? 'Indian mugs' or poop cups... I've only recently learned of this term and I understand it refers to Indians taking mugs into the bathroom to wash their behinds after using the stall in lieu of a bidet. I appreciate the need for cleanliness, but why is it racist to call foul on this practice in a workplace, when this doesn't seem hygienic given they use the communal office cups which we use to drink from? I understand there are racists and bigots out there. But I am really scratching my head at the ironically named 'white knights' from Caucasian communities that seem to defend these cultural practices instead of calling foul or trying to provide a resolution. It seems its almost fashionable nowadays to behave in this manner. Customary offering: 34yrs, TC 382K
Install washlets. Shitting in America is so filthy TP only is not acceptable
I agree. However in the interim wet wipes surely serve as a more acceptable alternative to coffee mugs.
I would do this with my own cup and I’m not even Indian. I now work in an office with single occupancy restrooms where I can wet the TP directly in the sink.
You misunderstand the basic usage of the “poop cup” The whole second part of your comment is ignorant of their culture, which leads to misunderstanding. No one drinks from the “poop cup”, it’s a designated vessel (cup, bottle, ...) used solely for toilet time. And they don’t use it to wash their hands, they use it to wash their butts or fronts after they pee or poop. Instead of a bidet (which is rare in NA) they can wet paper towel or toilet paper and wipe with it.
When using communal office mugs, these are drunk from by employees. Ignorance aside, focusing purely on the known, communal mugs should surely not be used in this manner.
First, No one should take a drinking mug to the bathroom regardless of what they do with it. Second, why do you guys have communal bugs at eBay? Can’t you afford your own mugs?
Yikes. Your colleagues are using your cawfee mug to wash their derrière. I guess it gives new meaning to the whole coffee cleanse phenomenon. How about you write your name on yours and claim it for ‘Murica, add a disclaimer, please don’t poo with my brew :)
Totally agree. A faction on the Left feel good about themselves by calling others racist. It’s narcissism, not virtue.
I don't care about the political aspect of this so much. Whatever side you are, you're going to insult the other side without understanding or listening. I'm always curious about the logistics. When I worked in an Amazon warehouse there were little flower watering pots collecting dust on the floor in the corner of the biggest stall in each bathroom. I never thought anything of them until someone was ranting about immigrants and said they use these long-necked watering cans as a bidet after they shit. I am a user of baby wipes. If there aren't wipes available, I try to wet a paper towel and use that as my final wipe. I believe that some kind of wetness is far superior to dry paper. This isn't just used in Africa and India but also in a lot of eastern European countries like Poland and parts of Hungary, according to some travel blogs I've read. So how do you use the cup/pot? Do you pour it down your back and let it wash over the butthole? Does it make contact with your anus region at all?
I appreciate your concern. As an Indian, I have never taken part in either. And I promise you, I wont ever. For the first part, I find it quite natural. Not because Indians love Indians. Most Indians hate most other Indians to be honest and blame them for something or the other. But it is natural because the pool size of Indian engineers is enormous. I find it frustrating at times to be honest. You would not believe how many Indian engineers I know and how many know me. Everyone from my school to college life has had an engineering education. Even in the US, during my masters, there were almost zero non-Indians studying engineering with me. This is especially true for fields that allow H1B holders to work. For example, you won't see many Indians in defense related engineering jobs. When someone shares a job opening with us, we naturally think of the 200 engineers we know and pick a few of them for referring. And most of them Indians. This seems easy money in form of referal bonuses and all. I get tens of resumes and messages from people I kinda know for referal requests. All are Indians. I don't refer most. If you are interested in a job and you feel you don't know enough people in the industry, feel free to send me your resume as well. I will try and see what to do. For Indians, it is also a matter of desperation. If you stay unemployed for more than a few months, you can get deported and your life will change again. So, people share and email resumes like crazy. Hope, I have made some clarifications. Also, I have never seen anyone use a mug at work. Very difficult to imagine. But I do maintain that using water is more hygienic especially because culturally we use our hands a lot while eating. As unlikely as it sounds, I feel my hands (esp. the finger tips and even after washing with soap) stink from using a toilet paper, maybe because I rub too hard or push it around too much, and don't at all if gently clean with water. I just don't want to carry that feeling with me out of the bathroom. So, I wash my hands like 10 times.
I've never seen that defended in the name of political correctness. It seems likely you've misunderstood their intentions.
I've seen it relentlessly defended on blind posts, with many claiming the issue just doesn't exist. My reason for the post was the broaden my understating as clearly the issue does exist, so why would one continue to deny it especially on an anonymous forum.
I don't believe you've seen it. I believe you think you have.
Whiteness is moral panic over foreigners having clean asses
The bathrooms in the Dubai airport and malls have a small hose on the side with a squeeze nozzle. It's just for cleaning better. If it's a problem at your office, I suggest they look into ways of adding that or the Japanese/Korean bidet ad ons one could get.
I agree with your well articulated views but the simple answer is that white people have a long history of killing, enslaving, exploiting people of other races (skin colors), whereas other ethnic groups generally have only done similar atrocities to ethnicities similar to themselves. I'm not saying it's right that this is the case but that's just the way it is right now.
I understand this view. That said, I find it hard to 'take it on the chin' for want of a better expression due to the indiscretions of the generations before me. I don't believe it's the right way for us as a educated, progressive society to behave or accept as the status quo.
Not true at all. Maybe that you're aware of but some more research is needed on your behalf.