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Did anyone here immigrate to Australia after getting tired of GC backlog?

Microsoft / EngAuss
Dec 4

I'm not interested in moving back to India. Thanks to pollution, corruption and ugly political scenario.

With GC for Indians taking several decades to clear, I'm considering to move elsewhere. Canada is one good alternative. I'm also interested in Australia.

Which US tech companies have reasonable engineering presence in Australia?

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  • PayPal lGTy66
    LETS ALL MOVE TO AUSTRALIA
    Dec 44
    • New RzFr15
      noooooooooo
      Dec 4
    • Synopsys sw100
      Don't come, we are the first, it's already occupied . Or I move back to India and find a wife
      Dec 4
    • Facebook / Eng
      Stunlock

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      Stunlockmore
      Please to the needful and revert back to India.
      Dec 4
    • Synopsys sw100
      Yeah, but if I find a wife in India, I come to Australia with 3 children. Your choice ;)
      Dec 4
  • Facebook derpd
    Born and raised in Sydney. Like other people have said, very limited tech wise. I mean, salaries are terrible and cost of living is high, but more importantly, career progression is nil, there are no real tech companies besides Google.

    People there think being in tech means being a data analyst or some other bullshit role at some place like PwC, EY etc. with a bunch of mediocre SQL monkeys.
    Dec 416
    • Facebook derpd
      I thought they were solutions engineers / DevOps? I saw some roles that were advertised as SWE, but it didn't seem like they were.

      I know the MS office in Sydney also has some support roles for Azure that are called SWE. I could be wrong though, it's been a while since I checked.
      Dec 6
    • You could be right, I'm getting that from second hand information. But those may still be viable jobs for Op
      Dec 6
    • What I am working on is as advanced as my counterparts in the USA.

      My point is that engineers tend to talk up what they do thinking it is something amazing based solely on how much they are being paid. How can you even compare what we do to something like CERN and physicists are certainly not paid like this.

      Tech in Australia is mostly no different to USA. Our stacks are either kubernetes/kafka or aws cloud native and we all have a machine learning team of some kind using tensorflow/neural nets/whatever.

      Just stop acting like u are saving the world building yet another consumer app.
      Dec 6
    • Facebook derpd
      I wasn't talking about pay, nor am I talking about saving the world.

      Also, surely you realize that someone has to do the hard work of actually building those platforms and ML frameworks you're using right? I work on distributed systems, building the kinds of systems you're talking about, not just plumbing apis from off the shelf software.

      Look at AWS for example, all the actual AWS engineers are in the US.

      Building Kubernetes is very very different to just using it.
      Dec 6
    • Fuck off you are not building ML frameworks, most research in this area comes out of universities. Basically anything hard in computer science comes straight out of academia.
      Dec 6
    • Facebook derpd
      Well, I never said I was building ML frameworks, but yes, I used to be in academia, haha. Actually, most of the cutting edge work in DS is coming from work at companies like Google and FB.

      Stop projecting your own insecurities on the whole industry. We don't all just do API plumbing for a living, and even that is a lot more complicated than it sounds at Google/FB scale.
      Dec 6
    • How am I projecting my own insecurities? You are talking shit about Australia saying that there is nothing going on here and everyone is a code monkey. My point is that is not true and the 99% of development jobs in USA and Australia will be doing practically the same work with the same tools and technologies.
      Dec 6
    • Facebook derpd
      That's not what I said at all, let me quote myself, with emphasis:

      "People there THINK being in tech means being a data analyst ..."

      I.e., my comment was more on the size of the "tech industry" in Australia being heavily dictated by these kinds of roles, and the cultural attitude in Australia towards the tech industry.

      Also, this is Blind, it doesn't represent 99% of the tech jobs in either of these countries, because these are the types of jobs that basically anyone can get with little prior experience.

      Like I said, there are plenty of shitty roles on both countries, I'm just saying the most rewarding and interesting roles are a LOT more available in the US than Sydney.

      OP is an engineer at Microsoft, I highly doubt he's interested in being a sysadmin for some random Australian website, even though that counts as being in the tech industry.
      Dec 6
    • There are actually plenty of good eng roles/teams in Australia too, they're just hard to find and easier to get if you know people.

      What's missing in Australia is the scale (both org size and product footprint) that you can find in the US.
      Dec 6
    • Facebook derpd
      Yes I agree, I used to work in Sydney and worked with some of the most talented engineers that I've worked with there, but it was a very small org, and small scale.

      And that's part of the problem. Because talented engineers are few and far between, people think the tech industry is all these other roles that have nothing to do with engineering.

      Also unfortunately for my area (distributed systems), scale is a prerequisite for interesting problems.
      Dec 6
  • New RzFr15
    DO NOT COME TO AUSTRALIA
    Dec 46
    • Nutanix / OtherBid909
      Yeah who wants to come to the racist and pirate land..
      Dec 4
    • Intel UGeJ58
      Which country with a significant majority ethnicity/race isn't racist?
      Dec 5
    • Nutanix / OtherBid909
      Racism exists everywhere, but the comment was to let know that Australia is not a coveted place for immigrants
      Dec 5
    • That's ridiculous. Melbourne and Sydney feels like it is mostly 1st-2nd gen immigrants. It's awesome here for immigrants as long as you can get a visa and job sorted.
      Dec 5
    • Nutanix / OtherBid909
      Okay thanks.. hope the people are that welcoming too and the people shouting not welcome to Australia in caps are very few
      Dec 5
    • It's a meme, I find it pretty funny. Quite a few politicians on right pandering to xenophobes but in real life I haven't seen it. Funny thing is that it's incredibly unpopular to be racist and those politicians are shedding votes like crazy.
      Dec 5
  • Stripe / EngAb4521
    Don’t go to Australia. It’s almost entirely project/contract jobs in tech. There are still some big American tech firms there, but your options with jobs are far fewer. I also recommend Canada.
    Dec 40
  • Facebook / Eng
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    We're full.
    Dec 42
    • Vertivco / R&D
      WARP ZONE!

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      Get off my land.
      Dec 4
    • Intel UGeJ58
      Build a north coast reef wall! And make the aboriginals pay for it!
      Dec 5
  • Intel / Eng
    Model

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    One of my friend did.. he is happy in Sydney
    Dec 410
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      What does he do for work, and what's the pay like?
      Dec 4
    • My TC is about 130 USD as an swe w/ 10+ yrs. But cost of living is probably a third of bay area in Melbourne. And it's pretty, clean, safe and we have about 20x more shops, bars and restaurants.
      Dec 4
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      Wow that's pretty impressive TC. Do you manage a team, are you the engineering head?
      Dec 4
    • No, IC. Just get top score on performance reviews leading to healthy bumps. I think all devs in my company are on 100+.
      Dec 4
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      What kind of company is it? 130k with green card, I'd take that mate
      Dec 4
    • Just pick anything publicly traded. We don't get shares though btw. We quote base then there's an implied +8-10% bonus, plus mandatory +9.5% retirement fund. So all up more like 150 USD.

      Getting sponsored can be hard. I think most ppl get sponsored by a not great company for lower wage and then pivot ASAP.
      Dec 4
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      I see. So there's some h1b equivalent leading to green card equivalent? Or you get PR right from the beginning?
      Dec 4
    • Yes, the former.
      Dec 4
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      Thanks for answering a stranger's questions on an anonymous forum mate!
      Dec 4
    • Amazon 123raj
      Alright @UMbR31 - now that you've got your queries figured out when are you moving out of US mate? 😁
      Dec 5
  • Good quality of life but not a lot of good tech jobs. If you wanna start a family or just take it easy and enjoy life, go for it.
    Dec 42
    • Microsoft / EngAuss
      OP
      What would I do for living?
      Dec 4
    • No you can get a tech job, but it won't be a tech company.
      Dec 4
  • New RzFr15
    Dec 41
    • Facebook derpd
      Oh and also, @OP, the rednecks in Australia are just as stupid, but thankfully powerless.
      Dec 5
  • Amazon azmix
    Have you thought about Singapore instead?
    Dec 40
  • Microsoft UMbR31
    What's the motivation to go to Australia? Like how do you arrive at a random choice like that? Did you throw darts on a map?
    Dec 43
    • There's only so many English speaking nations and even less that are known for sponsoring tech workers.
      Dec 4
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      Yeah but why would you go to a mining and tourism dependent economy. Like... What would you do for work for the next 50 years?
      Dec 4
    • What? Tourism is pretty minimal. Most of the GDP is finance, mining and agriculture in that order. There's plenty of tech jobs but obviously the work is usually not as interesting as in the USA. About on par with Europe.
      Dec 4
  • Tesla / Eng
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    Another India versus Australia going on here.
    Dec 50
  • Google / MgmtLovedoo
    I know of a lot of people who immigrated to Canada and became citizens! Go figure. We need to fix this broken system
    Dec 40
  • Looked at Canada. The number of jobs are quite less. A rudimentary job check on major giants website is like this.

    If 100 jobs for the US, 10 for India, 1 in Canada. I maybe wrong but this is what I felt
    Dec 42
    • Apple / EngSerialized
      I think you meant to say “very less”
      Dec 4
    • Amazon Crike
      Indians population is also 100 times bigger
      Dec 4
  • Isn't GC (green card) a good GC (garbage collector)
    Dec 41
    • New / EngJohnMacP00
      GC is like fantasy for many. WTF I never understood
      Dec 5
  • Lyft rpMF46
    I thought they only take prisoners.
    Dec 50
  • Google / Product
    bmy2012

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    Know an Amazon guy who got moved there because h1b expired. Was planning to return to US after a year on L1. Can confirm, fewer tech choices, high cost of living in Sydney, but damn it's pretty.
    Dec 40

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