Diversity Hire

Google frijoles
Sep 18 33 Comments

i hate all the blind posts saying that the bar is lowered for minorities.

can i ask HR for my interview scores to put this to rest once and for all?

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  • Google / Eng
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    I interviewed more than 100 SWE candidates and I never saw anyone caring about diversity during the hiring process.

    As far as I understand, Google tries to increase the number of minority candidates participating in the process but once it starts there is no special treatment.
    Sep 18 5
    • Microsoft HR Admin
      That's good. At MSFT there are multiple layers throughout process which help enforce diversity. They make the process very hard to pass on a diversity candidate. They even have bonus incentives tied to diversity quota stats.
      Sep 18
    • Microsoft isio37
      That's unfortunate. The Google method seems better: increase the exposure to Diversity candidates.
      But keep the same bar for everyone.

      Net outcome: diversity rate is higher, merit level is the same.
      Sep 18
    • Facebook NSA inc
      Facebook is same as Google except their numbers are more terrible. We actually saw a drop in diversity this year, and it was already pretty bleak.
      Sep 18
    • Microsoft HR Admin
      Our diversity numbers are amazing, we are approaching 50% in some targets. So if you guys want to step it up you know what to do
      Sep 19
    • @Microsoft Lmao you're all over this thread making claims that are highly trackable and illegal. Why haven't you taken msoft to court and made a small fortune?

      Are you just upset because you got passed on by a FAANG?
      Sep 19
  • Huge parts of the hiring process are designed to eliminate that.

    Also you shouldn’t even use the phrase “diversity hire” because it is BS.

    We do put extra recruiting effort in at schools / events that have underrepresented people but at best that gets you a phone screen. It definitely doesn’t get you any other passes.
    Sep 18 8
    • There are lots of ways to combat bias. Even simple things like never referring to the candidate by name or gender in your feedback notes helps.
      Sep 18
    • HBO gogogoy
      Good to know
      Sep 18
    • Microsoft buki
      Hmmm, different both at MS and Amazon.
      We have a hiring event at tier-x school, interview 200 candidates and hire 20% on average. At the end of the day we extend 40 offers.
      Then we have special hiring events at HBCU, which are considered tier-x too. If we extend considerably fewer offers (even if candidates didn't perform as well) than 20%, then there is going to be a sh*storm.
      Sep 19
    • Zulily god11
      Google has hiring quotas for female, black, and "Latinx"
      Sep 19
    • Google has goals and a desire to have a more diverse work place. They have outreach programs and target recruiting events at under-represented (schools, organizations, etc) events. They have special summer programs for kids who are in underrepresented communities.
      They have internal training to help people reduce bias and internal systems to help remove bias from decision making.
      The most the special programs might do is get a first phone call set up. But after that it is totally up to the candidate to perform.
      Sep 20
  • Microsoft HR Admin
    At Google too? Forced diversity quotas are a well known fact at Microsoft
    Sep 18 0
  • Facebook NSA inc
    Most interviewers don’t give a shit (at least I don’t) what race the candidate is. If they suck they suck and if they are good they are good. Candidates are usually scored based on rubrics. It’s a meritocratic interview system.
    Sep 18 0
  • Waymo PdAX50
    go/imposter-syndrome

    If you made it here, you belong here.
    Sep 18 0
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    • Facebook NSA inc
      “Some” Indian programmers are good
      Sep 19
    • Facebook NSA inc
      Even well represented groups have weak employees is my point.
      Sep 19
    • Google G-*
      This is getting... I will remove my comments. GL!
      Sep 19
  • Google morni431
    As far as I know (strictly rumor), the bar is lowered for

    underrepresented groups - latinx, black, women;

    grads from "elite" colleges - Ivy League, Stanford;

    industry hires with FAAN experience.

    So yes, the bar might have been lowered for you, but there are many people, not only minorities, for whom the bar has been lowered.

    Anecdote: I did poorly in my Google interview as well, but I had worked at one of FAAN, so they downleveled me and gave me an offer.
    Sep 21 2
    • Lucidworks hMbF15
      Wondering if the bar is lowered for "Referrals" as well. Seems like a large % of FAANG hires come from internal referrals. Also, Latinx and Black candidates shouldnt even be in convo. What is their representation in tech....like 2 or 3% max at most companies????
      Sep 21
    • Google morni431
      That could be the case for some people.

      I had been rejected in a Google phone screen and eventually accepted an offer from Amazon. Within 6 months of joining Amazon, the G recruiters started hounding me - there were no referrals involved.
      Sep 21
  • Lucidworks hMbF15
    @G-* why delete how you truly feel. i sure hope you aren't doing interviews at google. "Diverse" candidates don't stand a chance.
    Sep 20 2
    • Google G-*
      I do interviews at Google, but my feedback has nothing to do with their skin colors of kind. I don’t respect these who think the whole world is against them just because of their “diversity” statuses. Any fair judgement becomes race bias. Or you don’t need to work hard just being a minority.

      If you belong to these, I have nothing more to say.
      Sep 20
    • Lucidworks hMbF15
      You should have left your original comments up. Sounded very judmental to me. Generalize an entire group of people off a couple of interactions you may have had.
      Sep 20
  • Instructure OUtj13
    No company I’ve ever worked at gave passes for the job it self. Sure they may look harder to find candidates, go to schools, have outreach programs, have targeted goals, etc. but the interview was an interview.

    Now the one thing I have seen/experienced is minorities having HARDER interviews because the interviewer is biased against them or doesn’t believe they know what they are doing and ask more and harder questions then they would of a white engineer.
    Sep 19 1
    • Lucidworks hMbF15
      This. Happens more than anyone will admit.
      Sep 19
  • LinkedIn Wiener
    Last year my wife’s friend told her their team at Microsoft want to hire 10 women in that quarter and asked her to apply.
    Sep 18 0
  • LinkedIn Wiener
    Diversity hire means: sorry we are on a hiring freeze, sorry we have no head counts, etc, only for an Asian dude.
    Sep 19 0
  • Google / Eng cloudy sky
    In most cases in tech, diversity hire doesn’t mean you interviewed badly and still got hired. It’s more like, “the opportunity for you to interview was given on a diversity basis, and denied to a non-diverse person.”

    Google has openly stated that while the hiring bar isn’t lowered, they actively seek out diverse people to put in the pipeline. Worded another way, it might be easier for a black, Latino, female etc person to get the interview in the first place than white/Asian male, given that individuals of the mentioned ethnicities/genders have the same qualifications. “[...] we unapologetically try to find a diverse pool of qualified candidates for open roles”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/ex-recruiter-accuses-google-hiring-discrimination-against-white-asian-men-n853601
    Sep 19 0
  • New / Eng
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    >Thinks that one minority (probably Asian or Indian tbh) with good interview scores means that the bar isn't lowered

    Yeah.. and that is why you're a diversity hire
    Sep 21 0