Diversity and Inclusion = record stock prices?

Microsoft MSFTBRO
May 11 36 Comments

some butt hurt Microsoftees think D&I is hurting their job prospects.
They claim company is going down the toilets but why is Microsoft stock at all an time high?

I just don’t see it man. Ya’ll got any proof that D&I is hurting the company?

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  • Microsoft KQXe84
    It’s not the D&I per se, but a forced D&I. When someone gets hired for the sole purpose of diversity. They don’t perform well, and have no chances to ever do. That means, among other things, that the rest of the team has to pick up the slack - hardly a healthy arrangement.

    I don’t think people are against diversity. Pull your weight, speak reasonable English, don’t microwave fish in common kitchens, and keep your religious and political views to yourself - we’ll get along just fine.
    May 1111
    • Microsoft MSFTBRO
      OP
      I have not seen one case where someone was only hired just because of diversity. That is a myth.

      I have never voted to hire based on diversity or had my no hire decision overruled because of the person’s race or gender.

      People think because there is a push to find and hire diverse talent, that managers are lowering the bar. Why would a hiring manager do that? In the end the hiring manager is going to have to deal with a shitty hire if it doesnt work out. Doesnt make sense to me. How does that work?
      May 11
    • Microsoft KQXe84
      Well, I have seen, and continue seeing, two such cases. It’s a very good question why, some people have their own agendas. From the business perspective it makes no sense indeed.
      May 11
    • Microsoft jT47lg
      I love hearing from people who claim something is a myth because they’ve never seen it personally.
      May 11
    • SAP Man
      OP: ”I haven't done it or seen it, therefore it's 100% not true" 🤡
      May 11
    • Microsoft MSFTBRO
      OP
      Reading comprehension much? Literally second part of my post is “yall got any proof?”
      May 11
    • Intersection iNVc28
      OP is more like: don't see it in the macro i.e. stock valuation, don't see it in the micro i.e. personal experience, so what gives?
      May 11
    • Comcast WonyTerner
      maybe... big companies are highly and increasingly profitable without forced diversity, but touting D&I helps offset the negative public image (greedy capitalist pigs) were it not for D&I (champion of human rights)?
      May 11
    • Comcast WonyTerner
      also, i have seen gender/diversity be a factor in the decision to extend an offer. your inability to see a thing does not imply the absence of it.
      May 11
    • Microsoft MSFTBRO
      OP
      I think it’s more of vocal minority of butt hurt losers who couldnt even get an internal tranfer making up shit like “I was told by hiring manager I was qualified but I was the wrong gender/color”

      Microsoft internal chat is full of these morons.

      Ive been asking for proof of these communications, but all I hear is crickets.
      May 11
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Seriously, it’s always an unsubstantiated claim. With some excuse justifying why they let the alleged unlawful discrimination continue.

      If they had any actual evidence, they would be retired from the legal settlement.
      May 11
  • Veritas thetruthin
    It’s not D&I, it is SJW, PC, and team culture.
    Nothing wrong with D&I but if team members don’t have any meaningful social interaction outside of work need (because let’s admit people from some cultures do not integrate well in a multicultural env) it becomes painful.
    We went from majority of whites to “we don’t even speak English”.
    May 113
    • Asians are not considered minorities. From an HR perspective. So, no, by hiring all Indians/Chinese you are not being more inclusive of “minorities”.
      May 11
    • Intel babubhatt
      Are you suggesting you Make Microsoft Great Again?
      May 11
    • Veritas thetruthin
      No I am suggesting people to start being aware of their surroundings and to not be socially awkward/inept.
      It is incredible the amount of people who are completely clueless, to the point of being disrespectful, but cannot be told anything because of PC/SJW.

      It is even worse considering people in tech tend to be nerd and already on the awkward side.

      If I am making and effort to integrate and promote diversity and inclusion (because company policy or just because i am a nice guy) i do expect from the other people the same exact thing.
      May 11
  • I think sometimes Indians want to hire other Indians, or Chinese want to hire other Chinese, or X wants to hire more of X, in the name of D&I.

    I find this highly problematic.
    May 1110
    • Microsoft hCpS87
      How is this problematic? People have been doing this for centuries and it’s worked out just fine for many companies.
      May 11
    • Hiring standards drop — at Cisco this is very prevalent for example and you can see it affecting their business.

      Also, scientifically speaking, diverse teams are better performing. Plenty of studies on this.
      May 11
    • Microsoft hCpS87
      What causes the hiring standards to drop? Is it nepotism?
      May 11
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      That isn’t D&I. It’s unlawful discrimination.
      May 11
    • Uber mH7bSe
      Laws are changing. Maybe it isn't unlawful any more.
      May 11
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      It is unlawful. Did you not pay attention in compliance training?
      May 11
    • Dropbox drl/
      This happens at just about every tech company. People hire people they look like.
      May 11
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      If this happens, it is because cowards are not reporting unlawful behavior.

      Why didn’t you report it?
      May 12
    • @Microsoft hiring standards drop because people deliberately don’t hire good candidates because of their ethnicity.
      May 12
    • Uber mH7bSe
      Don't worry, I-1000 made it lawful.
      May 13
  • Microsoft jT47lg
    Everyone wants to be with their own tribe it’s human nature.
    May 112
    • Amazon Db8db4
      So can we phrase the target from increasing diversity to reducing tribalism? That might actually get everyone on board.
      May 11
    • Uber himu00
      I like reducing tribalism much more.
      May 11
  • New eNBa60
    Source: Forbes - Companies that are more culturally and ethnically diverse were 33% more likely to see better than average profits. This shouldn’t be a shocker because a corporation’s goal is to grow and often this is done by adding new products/services to an existing market and/or by taking the existing products/services to new markets. People from other backgrounds can help with that so you prevent Groupthink. IMO, the companies that use and clearly articulate D&I as a means of better serving & acquiring their customers and not just a “feel good” abstract will do fine.
    May 110
  • Microsoft Tier 1
    We have record stock prices despite there efforts
    May 110
  • Microsoft jT47lg
    The ones claiming that diversity is good for he company should be burdened with providing the proof.

    I want to see data that shows it’s anything more than feel good rhetoric.
    May 111
    • Microsoft hCpS87
      French Revolution
      May 11
  • Amazon Db8db4
    To the parallels in the thread: consider 2012 Venezuela vs. 2019 Venezuela in terms of socialism.
    May 110
  • Tableau The Plague
    Because you will see the effects long term
    May 110

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