Let’s face it - everyone of us is unique, different in many ways from everyone else. Diversity hire based on race, sex, or any other orientation is baseless and unscientific. Any hire brings in a person of his/her own kind. So why the propaganda?
That’s the problem! It should be the best person for the best job. The only reason this needs to be done is because people hire people of there own kind and people of the other kind don’t get a job. Ergo a kind that is dominant, cast other people out. It creates place like SV where everybody is white and male or like South Africa where Black always have to be hired before whites. There is no reason to not hire the best for the job, regardless of color, sex or orientation. Why would you hire somebody just because he is of the same kind, instead of somebody that actually contributes to the success of your business.
Blacks are not hired over YTs in South Africa. That is 100% not true.
Whenever I meet someone stupid at Google, I assume they’re a diversity hire regardless of their race.
I don't get how diversity hiring works - you do interviews, if you do well, you move forward else, you are rejected. So are you saying Google interviewers are being told that of the candidate race/gender/enthnicity is from a minority group, you need to give them better pos-interview feedback? I get that at a Hiring Committee this kind of thing would be taken into consideration but if you cannot even make it there because you sucked at the interviews, how can you enforce such 'diversity' goals?
You try to get more diversified people interviewing. The bar is still the same. Diversity hiring is a term used by people to be racist or sexist against employees of a race they don't like by assuming the only way they could be there is their race/sex.
Uber used to have a policy of only hiring senior candidates but minorities were an exception. Another way it’s done is by giving additional rounds of interviews to minority candidates that otherwise wouldn’t be offered, “coaching” that essentially tells candidates what the question and answer will be and by telling hiring managers they must hire a minority for certain positions.
There is science that diversity in race and gender increases success in large businesses. I agree that gender, race etc are not the best predictors of diversity, but they're still effective. The way that corporations dance around the "pushing for diversity without decreasing the hiring bar" is both funny and sad though. BTW, same science also shows diversity decreases success in small businesses, but that tends to be ignored.
Where is this science? I always hear about this "science" proving that diversity is good but I've never seen actual studies about its effectiveness. In practice I see the opposite happening with diversity pushes. It causes more conflict and suspicion that unqualified people are being hired. Though I'd believe that diversity is irrelevant in small businesses because history shows that virtually all of the large tech companies (FANG, Uber, Microsoft, Apple) were created by white men.
Took me literally 10s to pull up examples, didn't you at least try to Bing it? 😋 Cox, Jr., Taylor (1991). "The Multicultural Organization". Academy of Management Executive, 5(2), 34-47. Harvey, Carol P.; M. June Allard (2012).Understanding and Managing Diversity (5th ed.). New Jersey: Pearson Education, Inc. pp. xii–393. ISBN 0-13-255311-2. http://onlinemasters.ohio.edu/public-administration-building-more-diverse-public-organizations-and-businesses/ The question of who started a company is irrelevant, the claim wasn't that minorities make better founders. Also, a company where all founders and employees are Iraqi women isn't diverse. Diversity is about a company having different perspectives in it's internal discussion, not about having less white men.
we don’t all start out in this world with equal footing and equal opportunity. Until that is resolved, things like this will exist. And as someone else stated we often hire people like us without realizing that bias...so we’ll always need analysis and tools to correct it. Companies that reflect the diversity of society...their customer base...perform better...so part of “diversity” is about the bottom line. That doesn’t mean you hire someone purely for their race or gender or whatever but you broaden your approach to welcome anybody who is qualified and find a way to remove or correct your own bias or a company’s systemic bias. If in the end everyone looks like you, etc. you have failed and your bottom line will suffer.
Everybody likes the idea of equal opportunity. We don’t like the idea of using a racist metric to bias hiring. It calls into question the merit of “diverse” hires. It does more harm than good.
Diversity is better for business, consider looking at law claims, not necessarily revenue. What if your ml model is biased against black? Easy to prove. However that was not intentional and overall it increases revenue. Right? However diversity in my mind is bad for science, really bad. Oh well, let US enjoy the results in 10-30 years
Diversity in the workplace is actually pretty nice. Y’all need to calm the fuck down and go back to being code monkeys.
We don’t like racist policies or political propaganda. Diversity quotas and affirmative action are systematically racist. I doubt anyone here (besides the pro diversity neo liberal nuts) actually cares about race and just wants to work with qualified candidates, and is eager for diversity of *ideas*.
Guess you missed the part about having no say in the matter.
Most of the people who make posts like this don’t even know how “diversity” hiring works. It just means getting minorities in the pipeline. You still have to perform at the same standard. You do not get a free pass on anything. I’m so tired of this theyre incompetent and only got hired because they are in group X misinformation.
Most of the companies have jobs posted online where anyone can apply. What do you mean by “getting minorities in the pipeline”? If they were not in the pipeline previously, that’s because they didn’t apply. To get additional minorities into the pipeline, what kind of bait needs to be used to lure them in? Isn’t it a hidden lower bar? If not, what else?
Reaching outside of the go to colleges would be one. Bring awareness of job opportunities to people who wouldn’t typical take a job in SF (like someone living on the east coast) Same bait that would make anyone work for a company. Good environment, compensation, etc. There is no hidden lower bar. Sorry to disappoint. That’s why so many affirmative action cases get thrown out. The plaintiffs often discover that they have scored LESS than the diversity candidate. Most recent one i can think of is the university of Texas one where the white lady actually scored lower on her tests than a majority or the applicants she was attempting to claim disenfranchised her. That’s actually showcases why you companies and institutions wouldn’t have lower bars it would be a free for all in lawsuits.
The Germans conquered a massive portion of Europe with zero diversity. The Japanese conquered massive portions of the pacific and east Asia with zero diversity. The British empire conquered massive potions of the globe with zero diversity The Russians sent up sputnik with zero diversity. The value of diversity is waaaaaaay overrated. There isn't zero value though. But it's definitely overrated.
Bad examples, they all lost. They were singular in thought and that’s why they lost wars, regions, and races.
No. They won. They won a lot. Until they lost. No person, organization, or nation has ever won forever and never lost. Is that the standard? I need to provide an example of a nation or organization winning in perpetuity until the end of time?
Is it easier for a female to get into Microsoft? I heard hiring events are required to have 50% of its candidates be female.