Diversity hires

Collective Health / Eng Myquestion
Nov 18, 2018 50 Comments

At my company we have two diversity hires that I’m aware of and I believe it’s impossible for them to be fired. But we have to keep them on board for legal indemnification (protection from discrimination lawsuit).

One guy is very hard to work with. He’s been here two years and someone on my team threatened to quit if he ever had to work with him. The problem is he is too cocky and doesn’t take input from his team. He makes estimates without consulting any of the people doing the real work. He also has a permanent leg brace so he’s a racial minority and disabled, which is ultimate victimhood status. The higher ups decided to do a reorg for the sole purpose of getting his teammates away from him.

Another girl on my team is a backend intern and she is terrible. She’s basically just playing the system. She comes from a small school on the east coast where students do a ton of internships. I mean an absurd amount like NINE internships before they graduate. She has an internship lined up with amazon next summer so she feels like hot shit. But the only reason why she’s getting hired is because she’s a woman and knows how to play the interview game.

She does not do shit plain and simple. Literally 90% of the time when I glance at her screen she has an error message on her IDE and on her other window she’s writing a gigantic slack message to who knows who. She’s the only one on our team who keeps a privacy screen on her laptop. She does that because she knows she slacks off.

She doesn’t put in the due diligence to get up to speed on the code base and frameworks. I take the initiative to ask if she needs help and she says no. The higher ups were seriously considering cutting the internship short but decided not to because she could potentially slander us on Glassdoor and no one wants to deal with that.

What sucks about all this is that I’m a minority myself. Examples like the above constantly make me think the only reason why I got the job was because of my diversity status. I mean I didn’t fail the interviews but I’m sure there were other people just as good or better than me so did I only get the job to fulfill a quota? I am delivering on time and my boss says I’m killing it but it still makes me wonder if I was a white male would I have gotten the job in the first place.

Will there ever be a day when we reject identity politics?

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  • Citibank / Eng Slurpsurp
    Diversity hire = reverse racism

    Qualified hire regardless of race/gender etc is the correct approach.
    Nov 18, 2018 2
    • Amazon JefLeppard
      Can there be moral desert alongside distributive justice?
      Nov 18, 2018
    • Cisco Xaas
      @Jef Of course not, the veil of ignorance obviates personal responsibility
      Nov 18, 2018
  • Amazon YFdu24
    You're just speculating what the higher ups are doing.

    If the girl got an internship at Amazon, it was certainly not a diversity hire.

    Why don't you apply to other companies. If you fail the interview, you'll figure out that you were probably a diversity hire.

    Since you're so hell-bent on being PC, you should quit your job immediately after.

    On a serious note, just be the best you can be and ignore what others are doing.
    Nov 18, 2018 5
    • Microsoft / Eng
      abshx

      Microsoft Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      abshxmore
      Being an intern at Amazon doesn’t mean anything. I️ interned there recently, and the interview process is an absolute joke( I️ got the offer by just completing an online assessment). The online assessment itself is pretty easy, pretty much the same difficulty banks such as JpMorgan give
      Nov 18, 2018
    • VMware empathymin
      Haha anyone with a pulse can get an amazon internship
      Nov 18, 2018
    • Collective Health / Eng Myquestion
      OP
      I’m not speculating anything. My MANAGER told me what the higher ups said.
      Nov 18, 2018
    • Amazon YFdu24
      The OP didn't get an Amazon internship. So everyone minus one.
      Nov 18, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      abshx

      Microsoft Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      abshxmore
      lol I️m actually on OPs side, I️ hate interns like that
      Nov 18, 2018
  • Proofpoint / Eng foodtruckj
    The most qualified person should get the job but spreading your sourcing channel to all universities (high and low ranked) is important to make sure the sourcing pipeline of talent is available for anyone willing to try.

    Your management is promoting mediocrity.
    Nov 18, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng Debugging
    I don’t understand the intern scenario. Interns are time limited, let them screw around and don’t give them an offer at the end, easy
    Nov 18, 2018 2
    • Collective Health / Eng Myquestion
      OP
      That’s exactly what the company decided
      Nov 18, 2018
    • Capital One / Eng desu
      That's how I've heard of it working elsewhere.

      She sounds annoying as shit, but just be happy that she won't be sticking around like the other guy.
      Nov 18, 2018
  • Microsoft / Product @zzz
    I have worked at a lot of places, and have seen lots of normal hires who exactly fit the description you gave. Incompetent, untouchable, and worst thing they seem to rise up the ranks.

    So what's your point?
    Nov 18, 2018 2
    • Collective Health / Eng Myquestion
      OP
      The point is that diversity initiatives increase the proportion of unqualified workers. I’m not saying if you get rid of diversity initiatives then 100% if workers will be competent. I’m saying the proportion would increase.
      Nov 18, 2018
    • Intel SpoW74
      He gets big mad when he thinks people from other groups get hired. He's probably lying about both of them.
      Nov 18, 2018
  • Expedia Ski-asleep
    Sounds like you spend a lot of time trying to figure out what other people are doing. What kind of a loser gets beef against interns? You need to re evaluate where you are as a professional and as a person. This is seriously pathetic
    Nov 18, 2018 1
    • Collective Health / Eng Myquestion
      OP
      It’s not just me who has beef. The entire team has beef against her. Everyone knows she does nothing at all.
      Nov 18, 2018
  • New / Data
    Nullify

    New Data

    PRE
    Square
    Nullifymore
    Having an error message on the your screen doesn’t say anything about your coding skills . I mean we all get errors and try to find them especially if you are working with a new technology. She is an intern and don’t expect her to perform like a full timer and I think you have a beef with this girl. Why do you spent your time looking at her screen all the time? Are you jealous because she is getting all the internship? This is probably a black vs black war. I’m black myself and I know how we treat each other
    Nov 18, 2018 3
    • Collective Health / Eng Myquestion
      OP
      The intern is not black she’s a Hispanic woman. My manager and coworkers talk bad about her because she is putting in no effort. She literally ALWAYS has error messages on her screen. Why do I not see the same with anyone else? And why is she always typing long messages on slack? How come when the manager asks her to read an article over a specific design pattern, a week later she still hasn’t read it or able to apply the concepts in code? She asks simple basic questions that she should have asked on day one. It shows a complete lack of drive to learn.
      Nov 18, 2018
    • Microsoft cout<<
      If she’s not putting in a lot of effort maybe it’s because she works with a bunch of asses who talk shit about her.

      Or maybe as an intern she’s still learning and is running into issues. Maybe she’s typing long questions trying to learn.

      Maybe if you were a decent human you would try to help the intern instead of talk behind her back.
      Nov 18, 2018
    • Collective Health / Eng Myquestion
      OP
      Did you even read my post? I ask her if she needs help and she says no.
      Nov 18, 2018
  • Microsoft cout<<
    It’s hard to fire anyone, not just diversity folks. People need to document it if this guy is being a jerk. Otherwise there’s little that can be done. But based on your consents with an internal you’re just saying you spend a bunch of time tracking what the diverse folks at your company are doing. That seems like a really useful way to spend your time. Finding 2 examples of lame behavior by diverse folks will definitely show your superiority.
    Nov 18, 2018 4
    • Collective Health / Eng Myquestion
      OP
      Why do you think it takes a bunch of time to come up with the conclusions I did? All it takes is a couple of conversations with coworkers and a glance at my interns laptop a few times a week.
      Nov 18, 2018
    • Microsoft cout<<
      Well then you’re just a gossip who is drawing conclusions with very little data.
      Nov 18, 2018
    • Collective Health / Eng Myquestion
      OP
      It’s not little data. Because it’s not just what I see when I glance over. Everyone on the team says she does nothing. What more proof do I need?
      Nov 18, 2018
    • Microsoft cout<<
      Why are you so concerned with what the intern is doing?
      Why are you talking to other coworkers about what the intern is doing?
      WTF do you need proof for?
      Nov 18, 2018
  • Apple / Ops shaboop
    This reeks of confirmation bias.
    Nov 18, 2018 3
    • Collective Health / Eng Myquestion
      OP
      And you reek of denial
      Nov 18, 2018
    • Facebook / Other
      XKLa50

      Facebook Other

      BIO
      Data scientist
      XKLa50more
      This reeks of confirmation bias about confirmation bias.
      Nov 18, 2018
    • Apple / Ops shaboop
      Pointing out your confirmation bias isn’t outright denial. Most people are guilty of confirmation bias unless they force themselves to use rigorous (scientific) methods when gathering data.
      Nov 18, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng
    sarcasticg

    Amazon Eng

    PRE
    Sabre Corporation
    sarcasticgmore
    Most interns are like that... Distracted. If they don't have enough on their plate or there isn't a clear deliverable or a milestone defined, they tend to be relaxing.

    Diverse or not there are dicks in IT. Just look at the responses on blind. I don't think their diversity is the root cause but they are horrible people to work with
    Nov 18, 2018 1
    • Citibank / Eng Slurpsurp
      IT hasn’t cornered the market on dicks, they’re everywhere. IT is froth with passive aggressive DBs though.
      Nov 18, 2018
  • Intel :-) :-)
    Keep your head down and work hard. Don't focus on what others are doing. I've seen people from all backgrounds perform poorly. No one keeps their job forever if it's bad performance. The intern is just that...someone who is brand new and learning. Let it go. The other guy is not well liked. Learn from his mistakes and don't do the same stuff. Simple.
    Nov 18, 2018 1
    • Collective Health / Eng Myquestion
      OP
      Thank you
      Nov 18, 2018
  • Intel :-) :-)
    It sounds like OP is a competent employee with a case of imposter syndrome. You got the job. You don't get to keep it forever if you are incompetent. Plain and simple.
    Nov 18, 2018 1
    • Collective Health / Eng Myquestion
      OP
      Thank you
      Nov 18, 2018
  • Op, you are either a racist or a troll. You really wonder why a minority wouldn't want help from a racist like you?
    Where is your post about the terrible employees from majority group? Oh wait you picked on the very small fraction of bad employees who happen to be minorities. Or do you believe the minorities are the majority of incompetent employees?
    Nov 18, 2018 0
  • Axon / Eng
    Starstarst

    Axon Eng

    PRE
    Axon, Amazon
    Starstarstmore
    I am a girl at Axon and I was treated like Sh*t. There was no respect. Now I know probably people thought I was a diversity hire too. The seniors in my team were so cocky. They often ignore my questions or tell me things like 1+1=2. I really hope we stop this diversity quota requirements and have the same bar for all engineers. I also had an amazon employee told me straight in the face that ALL female engineers he had seen were not competent.
    Nov 20, 2018 2
    • Intel :-) :-)
      Read: Nice Girls Don't Get the Corner Office. It is an amazing book and it gives strategies on how to not self-sabatoge in the workplace. I don't know you personally but I read it early in my career and I realized I had a lot of self-doubt that discredited me in the workplace (despite my talents and credentials). The OP is also a minority. How you look, sound, act, brand, and market yourself is more important than what you say. How you respond to bullies in the workplace is also important. Read the chapter that corresponds with "how to respond". It will really help you in the long run. I have no doubt that I was hired due to my talents. You shouldn't either...and neither should the OP.
      Nov 20, 2018
    • Intel :-) :-)
      Also, it sounds like the culture where you work is toxic. Please consider another company or team for your own sanity.
      Nov 20, 2018
  • Procore / Eng Proudboys
    Guarantee there are white employees doing the same thing. You just chose to come on blind an insinuate diversity hires aren’t as qualified. You are soo transparent.
    Nov 18, 2018 0
  • Microsoft F12Gh
    In times like this you have to buckle down and focus on your own work and just compete with yourself. Be the best you and don’t worry about decisions by management. None of that stuff is in your control anyway.

    Some would say to leave and that’s an option but I think you shouldn’t let your happiness be so dependent on what other people are doing. Solve that personality quirk and you can be happy almost anywhere.
    Nov 18, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng chun
    If your manager says you are killing it, why do you think you are a diversity hire? Stop limiting yourself with this low self esteem baggage.
    Nov 18, 2018 1
    • Collective Health / Eng Myquestion
      OP
      Because it’s also possible someone outperformed me during the interviews but they went with me because I’m a minority. I don’t like that.
      Nov 18, 2018
  • Google Elenia
    You're mad the intern isn't working hard enough... But you have time to watch her and see if she's working? Mind your own business and do your own work.
    Nov 19, 2018 0
  • LinkedIn righ
    Most white and Asian are too afaird to speak the truth in public, that is why minorities have to speak of truth for themselves that diversity program hurts minorities.
    Dec 2, 2018 1
    • Citibank / Finance $$>RSU
      Afraid why I wonder?? Hmm, perhaps they’re afraid they may be called racists, rapists, sexists.....
      Dec 2, 2018
  • IBM / Eng trcy
    "potentially slander us on Glassdoor" - are company really threatened by this thing that they would rather keep an under performer than fire that person.
    Nov 21, 2018 0

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