Do I give up on my career?

Apple xcodec
May 29 365 Comments

I’m 30 years old with a base of 150k. I’m a HW engineer who gets astounded by 20 somethings getting 200k out of school.

At this rate I should probably go back to grad school and major in CS

comments

Want to comment? LOG IN or SIGN UP
TOP 365 Comments
  • Facebook ⭕w⭕
    And the 20 somethings getting 200k out of school wish they were trust fund babies who make millions doing diddly squat, who wish they were the next Jeff Bezos, who wishes he was immortal.

    Point is, there is no point in comparing yourself to others. You already make a ton of money relative to the median household salary, be grateful. Go look at pictures of North Korean kids who wonder if they'll have enough food to last them another week to gain some perspective.
    May 29 26
    • Microsoft
      Chad TCock

      Microsoft

      PRE
      Taco Bell, Campbell Soup, Jack in the Box
      Chad TCockmore
      Nobody tell him
      May 30
    • Capital One xwES74
      This is the most BS idea ever (compare to North Korean kids and such..). You should be grateful in life, definitely. Only that it’s easier to be grateful, if you’re making fair $. Sooner or later, you realize that a bigger part of life’s peace comes from the money you saved and not by comparing yourself to the less privileged.
      May 30
    • Capital One xwES74
      I strongly recommend making a career switch if you’re not happy with $ and WLB in h/w. Have seen my fair bit in this regard. Feel free to DM
      May 30
    • That red boobs and w in the middle.
      May 30
    • SAP / R&D
      mVH75Bds

      SAP R&D

      BIO
      Mostly human
      mVH75Bdsmore
      The people making 200k out of school are the exception, not the rule. They're just the ones bragging on here. But if you look at salaries on Glassdoor etc you'll see realistic market numbers
      May 30
    • SAP / R&D
      mVH75Bds

      SAP R&D

      BIO
      Mostly human
      mVH75Bdsmore
      I'm in my 40s, SWE. TC around 210. 20 YOE. TC is just a tool. Focus on net worth over income. 1.6M net worth. 0.9M invested. Your accumulated wealth is what you retire on. Lots of people have high income, then let lifestyle inflation take over and don't save enough. What percent you save is more easily in your control than income
      May 30
    • Vimeo vUrG43
      👍
      May 31
    • Qualcomm udfD65
      This is the first time I felt that I read something in this website that actually is worth reading.
      May 31
    • Schweitzer Engineering Laborator nVqE32
      I have come from the same background. Got my PhD in EE and was being paid 88 k$ while having lowest possible WLB, bully bosses, crappy colleagues, and on the top of it can't help to feel like a loser. But I tried to keep the big picture, people from North Korea, etc, etc. But over the long term, these don't work. I just became cynical, sad, and unbearable for myself and others. Untill two years ago I decided to move to tech with absolutely zero skillsets. Worked hard, learned, stayed positive, and today I have offers from Amazon, Google, a startup which easily triples my salary and hopefully doubles my quality of life. If you know you feel sad, just do something about it. Somebody told me "the only thing you will regret is that you had time and you didn't do anything about it". When you get to a really good situation become a stoic, like Marcus Aurelius. Help others, make life easier for people, make their lives better. But making yourself desperate because others are desperate is certainly not the way.
      6d
    • Too long to read.. Boring 👎🏿
      6d
  • Amazon mdllgo
    I started working when I was 31. (Before that I had to survive life)
    Many times I feel "behind" when I see kids 10 years younger than me get paid the same amount as I do, but I keep reminding myself the journey I had to get to this point and I feel thankful and fresh.
    You can always start or innovate at your own thing.
    May 29 11
    • Salesforce hypeforce
      Same here.
      May 29
    • Palantir / Data dbdhchwha
      Same
      May 30
    • Palantir / Eng jolanda
      Same
      May 30
    • Amazon / IT
      8gineer

      Amazon IT

      PRE
      Verizon
      BIO
      sde
      8gineermore
      Great source of inspiration!!
      May 30
    • Apple / Eng Boomhauer
      Finally some sound advice on the Blind platform.
      May 30
    • Intel / Other seabay
      +1. It hurts when someone gets orbited ahead of you. @op, here is to make you feel better. Am closing in on 40, have a PhD and still learn about the same as you
      May 30
    • Microsoft klao
      Same
      May 30
    • Comcast delta888
      Same
      May 30
    • Accenture plackers123
      Same
      May 30
    • Apple / Eng srand()
      Good job amazon!
      May 30
  • New AsYK38
    Don't believe all the hype. Most good software engineers in the bay at 30 make between 200-265k total with a 150-185k base. Looking at outliers is not helpful.
    May 29 14
    • Northrop Grumman HowCouldYu
      No you just keep applying internally until you get your shot. Also learn outside of work
      May 30
    • Microsoft Vbsm66
      @facebook that's not true at traditional top hardware companies, ie not Facebook
      May 30
    • Microsoft Vbsm66
      @howcouldyu the biggest difference between SW and HW (FANG vs traditional hardware) is SW has worse work life balance, higher stress, higher expectations, but far more interesting work, career growth, and compensation.
      May 30
    • Juniper UsA51
      @vbsm66 I wouldn't agree with that...hw is more stressful compared to see regards the company....if you make a mistake you have to re spin the hardware.. which cost lots of money and time.
      May 30
    • Clover Health AsQd52
      @instandidl lots of assumptions you making there
      May 30
    • Amazon anw2Bwm
      SW is expected to be oncall 24/7. HW by design is slower paced
      May 30
    • Northrop Grumman HowCouldYu
      My understanding is HW in FAANG is extremely high stress, while software is low stress
      May 30
    • Facebook Chris Box
      HW at Fb has similarly comp as SW
      May 30
    • Samsung MaMaKramba
      Guys above who commented they switched from HW to SW, how did you manage that? I am currently HW product Manager with firmware dev. background, desperately trying to switch to software product management but no luck so far. How to pass the onsite interview without software background?
      May 31
    • Microsoft Vbsm66
      @samsung it's very straight-forward for programming jobs, just practice HackerRank and LeetCode. It probably still holds true for PM, since companies prefer PMs who have technical background in the field they're managing.
      May 31
  • Intel babubhatt
    No. You don’t kill yourself. Probably best to not joke about it either.
    May 29 1
    • Apple xcodec
      OP
      Got it. Changed the title
      May 29
  • New / Eng
    lostlexa

    New Eng

    BIO
    I’m here to make your life easier.
    lostlexamore
    You won’t necessarily like SW. And current twentysomethings making 200K TC fresh out of school are either overpaid heavily or living in an area where rent for a 1-story closet is 4K/mo
    May 29 2
    • Amazon OTdS88
      You can definitely get a two story closet for that price
      May 30
    • Airbnb / Finance
      unemployd

      Airbnb Finance

      PRE
      Accenture
      BIO
      Sup
      unemploydmore
      Yeah but no windows tho
      May 30
  • Microsoft / Eng gqne23
    Just uninstall Blind and live in bliss
    May 30 1
    • Juniper UsA51
      👆 this..
      May 30
  • Oracle anidivujya
    Are you crazy? I am 41, work my ass off, built great products and have a base almost same as you do
    May 30 4
    • Tell what you've built and we'll say if it's great or not. Can't believe ppl bragging about themselves like this.
      May 30
    • Oracle anidivujya
      Dear BobMueller I don’t care a rats ass convincing you on what I built. So you can GTFO.
      May 30
    • H&R Block / Eng Uwvf45
      I'm 43, work but don't work my ass off, and I make $100k base
      May 30
    • Criteo / Eng ++i
      @BobMueller: What’s wrong with saying the products you’ve helped build are great? Wtf
      May 30
  • Microsoft qFjJ31
    150k at 30. Must be rough
    May 30 5
    • Disney omegared
      First world problems. The struggle is real... the original title was should I kill myself.
      May 30
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Ahaha , TC140 31yo 12yoe here.
      OP, maybe just find yourself a hobby and stop worrying about the $? =)
      Join a startup that cures cancer, or better join a non profit like Greenpeace and help them save the planet. What do you do with 500k TC and 5 villas in Beverly hills, when a planet gets destroyed by climate change? Exactly. No use.
      But if you want to switch to swe, you'll need to invest about 2-3 years of intensive study in order to get past 180-200 TC. I don't think companies pay 300-350 to people who excel at leetcode only, you'll need to prove some production experience too.
      May 30
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Btw age doesn't matter, 45-47 years old IMHO is the time to retire from swe. So if you want a high TC career between 35-45, yeah invest in studies. Do some courses on Coursera\Udemy. Watch only the new materials, pay attention for example that you learn python 3 and not python 2 by mistake (don't learn the deprecated stuff, like if it's a JavaScript course, make sure it's from the Promises\async-await era and not from callbacks\jQuery era)
      May 30
    • Metromile / Eng FoHm60
      @cookie you don't need to do anything but ace leetcode interviews for high TC. No big tech company can accurately gauge if you can actually build anything useful, they only care how you can solve toy problems and bullshit behavioral questions (and sometimes they dont even care about this).
      May 31
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Well if you at least master LC, at that point you really can code, so it's a start already :) . It's still better than allowing people who do not code at all, to get into the position and bs their way through the first year using stackoverflow snippets.
      May 31
  • Apple xcodec
    OP
    Thanks guys. I know I’m being an ungrateful whiny ass.

    It’s just hard to focus when I read these ‘Rate my offer’ nauseating posts.
    May 29 8
    • Crew aXFh35
      Maybe it's time to make some career moves so you can up your TC.
      May 29
    • I feel the same. Some of my colleagues feel the same as well. 😞
      May 30
    • Microsoft Vbsm66
      You're at Apple, which might as well be FANG. It should be trivial for you to get a high paying offer.
      May 30
    • Zillow Group poopboop
      Technically it’s FAANG.... which includes Apple.
      May 30
    • Zillow Group poopboop
      But also.... maybe take some time away from Blind? Any social platform has a rude tendency to shine light on what we don’t have, but may want. Count your blessings. Seek global perspective. Be better.
      May 30
    • Intel / Other Path2Zero
      If reading the threads makes you miserable, and that misery is unable to provoke action, why not stop reading them or delete blind?
      May 30
    • Optum androidG
      Most 200K TC includes bonus equity etc. 150k base is pretty good I think. Unfortunately very few companies offer equity unless you're in Bay area.
      May 30
    • Care.com / Product HSUIxGUI
      Pick your priorities: if TC at expense of all else motivates you, find where and what gets it that you can reasonably do (e.g., SWE in FAANG) and work toward it. Otherwise, work on prioritizing what you want first.
      May 30
  • Microsoft AryaSnow
    150k base at 30y is actually pretty good.
    May 30 6
    • New / Product
      VeniceLA88

      New Product

      BIO
      Mostly startups. Interested in exploring new opportunities in Los Angeles.
      VeniceLA88more
      Not in California
      May 30
    • Microsoft bnsixjoans
      True
      May 30
    • New / Ops
      tooQ10

      New Ops

      PRE
      Rakuten USA
      tooQ10more
      It is spectacularly good. I suspect on some level OP knows this.
      May 30
    • Apple / Eng srand()
      Of course it is good. Not amazing But good. Not everyone got a job at fang after graduation.
      May 30
    • Cisco lg7ma4jq
      4 y ago when I was 30 I was making 125k base with 8% bonus (which was not steady) that was my total comp (apart from 401k contribution matching up to 4%). Considering inflation you are at the same rate. It's not bad. As far as u r not spending 80 hr weeks and just doing 40hr weeks. Save money, invest, enjoy wlb. Enjoy life. With the 150k. You can make yourself and your family more than happy. That is unless your wife/GF is into shopping spree/take lavish vacations. As far as you live within your means you should still be able enjoy. Don't compare yourself with others. It will make you miserable. Just look to make progress on yourself, your emotions, health, relationships with relatives (I mean parents and spouse and kids) and celebrate and enjoy life.
      May 30
    • First Republic / Eng tuku
      I am 32 year old making 138k woth 11% bonus, i was happy woth what i made until before last week from the time i joined blind and saw others salaries. Its all relative.. we should be happy with what we achieve
      May 31
  • Microsoft tard
    Make you feel better: I’m older than you and my base is less than you
    May 29 7
    • Amazon / Eng KHCr70
      I am also older than you, already in SW, and also making less than you
      May 30
    • Uber sbzubu46
      Me too. Less money more happy
      May 30
    • Microsoft Flpx72
      I’m also older than you and have both a BS CS degree and an MBA (top 10 school btw) and also over 10 years of experience. I made a big industry and career shift 4 years ago and only broke 150 base about a year ago, so keep at it. I also learned that the scale is exponential...you won’t worry about hitting 410k when you’re at 400, you’ll be looking for 500k.
      May 30
    • Autodesk dbl0zero
      I’m in SW and Data Science for 13 years, now my 40’s and my base is less than you, my TC is less than you. And I’m a woman of minority... comparison only makes us sad and unhappy about our own reward, but most people live the life in similar ways, isn’t it?
      May 30
    • Microsoft klao
      Same
      May 30
    • General Motors rAIF33
      31, 7 yoe, TC 105k. You’ll be alright.
      May 30
    • Ticketmaster / Eng GvB&$78
      Same here. Mid 30s, making much less
      May 30
  • Amazon SeekingHLP
    Don’t get consumed by all the numbers posted on Blind. Remember, still median income in US is less than 40k and if you are making 4 times, you are rich.

    There would always be some people earning more than us, that doesn’t mean anything. Remember, people find a way to spend money that they earn. Important thing is to be happy, have fun and enjoy your life.

    Remember it’s only one life.
    May 29 0
  • Facebook / Eng
    baldnshort

    Facebook Eng

    PRE
    Facebook
    baldnshortmore
    I spent plenty of years (10+) doing amazing work for really low TC. Now I do average work at an amazing TC.
    May 29 6
    • TC?
      May 30
    • H&R Block / Eng Uwvf45
      @bobmueller: TC: total compensation
      May 30
    • Yes. I was asking what's that amazing TC that he's talking about
      May 30
    • Salesforce Zed12
      Also, what's the average work you're doing?
      May 30
    • Twitter finetody
      What’s the amazing work u were doing?

      Who cares about the average work, it’s FB, he is most likely working on ads.
      May 30
    • H&R Block / Eng Uwvf45
      I bet it was Skymall.
      May 30
  • Amazon ariel88
    Dude...money is just a number. There will always be someone who will be richer than you, happier than you, healthier than you, sexier than you, getting more laid than you. Making a comparison will only make you sad and ungrateful to what you have.
    May 30 2
    • New hqWe60
      how to get laid more 🤔
      May 31
    • Facebook Huawei37
      Very true.
      May 31
  • Tableau fBCz83
    Step 1: Enjoy the people you work with
    Step 2: Enjoy the work

    If you’ve got those and make enough to live, you are doing well.
    May 30 0
  • Intel 1090SC
    I am 43 and making 185k. Although well educated (2 masters degrees). I’ve had a difficult life and came from a very poor family, difficulty getting started, challenging background.

    Although gifted in school no support no means. Too naive to understand what’s real and what’s BS. After spending my entire 20’s making other people successful and inventing new products - my husband had affairs and- the side with his ho. Had many medical challenges and had physical therapy.

    Left an abusive marriage and was homeless for a year. Got myself on my feet. Went through hell, went to counseling and slowly strengthened my mind and life.

    Stopped comparing. Started focusing on happiness and I found a good job at a good company, remarried had a baby, relocated and had to hit “restart.” Career has not been easy - I was making 325k in my 20’s but it was for naught. I fell for it again when relocating for start up Hype in Sillycon Valley.) and lost it all.

    Getting back on my feet at 39 was not easy... giving birth at 40- not easy. Losing so much - not easy. But I’m doing okay. I’m here. I’m standing and I’m growing. I have an okay income and an AMAZING team - very technologically competitive people and a wonderful spouse and family.

    It’s not perfect- but I am happy.

    Morals: 1. Never give up. 2. Believe in your work. 3. Have faith patience and tenacity. 4. Don’t be afraid to lose 5. Stop comparing. 6. Grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your own happiness. 7. Your career is not your mind, consciousness and you. 8. Be prepared to fail to grow. 9. Stop
    Comparing. 10. Happiness lies within.
    Jun 1 7
    • Neurocrine D.Trump
      This is inspiring. Thanks a lot for sharing this. You have truly 'lived' your life 😊
      Jun 1
    • Pandora SadPandaa
      Thank you for sharing this 🙏🏽
      Jun 1
    • Bain & Company uqRH20
      Thank you for sharing this. Much needed on Blind.
      Jun 2
    • Props to you . Thanks for sharing
      Jun 2
    • Google / Eng JLrC80
      How did you go from making 325k/year to homeless?
      Jun 5
    • Intel 1090SC
      It’s a long story ... but in short I supported someone through medical school, residency, fellowship and all other manner of esoteric stuff. I took on the debt for everything with the expectation that I would in turn complete my PhD and complete patent filings. (Was nominated as woman inventor of the year)

      As they say ... the best laid plans. How I became homeless is as follows:

      1. Spouse had many affairs during medical training. One of the orderlies got pregnant and was 19. It was one of many affairs. This one resulted in a baby and I was blamed for being too ambitious.

      2. Over-obsessed on making TC but not managing money.

      So all the savings 401k etc, money was handled by spouse and all debt was mine (with the expectation that it would be more equitable once he was fully employed) . He wanted to look good on paper so my ex spouse also had me carry all the debt. In short he was the man so he had the money in his name and I had debt. It was a poor agreement on my part as I believed in reciprocity.

      More over I came from a poor, disabled, immigrant family. So I did not even know how to secure legal support how to protect myself professionally and fiscally and so on. Naive.

      My family was embarrassed by the marriage failure and my ex and his (very privileged) family spread rumors of my being a “bad wife” etc. due to family shame my family exiled me from going to home town.

      3. Ex husband gave all money to his parents so he could claim 0.00 in the “paternity” situation that was happening.

      4. Depression. He put my dog to sleep. No money and no where to go. No family support. No money. No home anchor and no safety net.

      Nothing. Except hard work and menial labor and cheap hotel rooms, endless studying to get to a good job. To a Place of survival. It took me 2.5 years to get my first safe apartment. But man that sleep - the first week in my own tiny dingy unsafe apt was the most amazing thing. Tireless discipline Meditation. Study. Sleep. Work. Hope.

      That’s how homeless ness happens. That’s how one picks up oneself. You stop looking at the skyscrapers and getting blinded by the height. Instead you work on the steps before you. Some lead to skyscrapers- but most - most just lead you forward.

      Most Folks in Silicon Valley TC pissing match have no fucking clue how privileged they are.
      Jun 6
    • American Express uktg07
      Seriously!! My God, that sounds terrible! Are you from an Asian or Middle Eastern culture? Seems similar to stories I’ve heard (especially about being welcomed in old town). That’s brutal!

      A lot of people who are American or come to America don’t realize how spoiled they are and become so entitled. I cannot fathom taking my life over something that is in my power to change. The only excuse would be mental illness, like clinical depression since there is a mental imbalance that impedes one from thinking rationally.

      OP makes triple the avg. American yet feels he is poor. He should go to a developing country without the “luxuries” we in America have gotten used to as the basics, such as an indoor bathroom with full plumbing/toilet that can be flushed and a hot shower that comes from a faucet. This post is ridiculous.
      Jun 7
  • Neurocrine D.Trump
    I agree with you. But don't focus on the rat race, there's no end to it. You are losing precious years when you should be doing all the things you enjoy, make new friends, get new perspectives, and create memories. Don't be a whiny ass. It's surprising to see so many blinders in their 20s say they are feeling depressed.

    Sure, try to get better but in the quest of it, don't become a depressed brat who doesn't realize money is just a means to attain the 'real' things in life.

    Let the 20 somethings make 200k. Because they haven't walked the journey you did, just like you didn't walk the journey the 70s born did. They probably have their own problems to deal with. So cheer up, be grateful for the things you have, look behind to realize how far you have come, and be curious about what the future holds for you. Best.
    May 29 0
  • Google / Eng
    mccosh

    Google Eng

    PRE
    Amazon
    mccoshmore
    I know people act on here like massive TC and big tech jobs are easy to come by, but for 95% of developers, it's just not that way. In fact, I'd say you're making as much or more now as most developers will in their lifetime.
    In other words, there's no guarantee you'll go to grad school and wind up with a job in Big Tech, and even if you do (you're chances are probably better than most if you're in Hardware at Apple), you'll start at 200k - the same as a new college grad. Add to that the chances you don't like the work, or your job, and the two years lost income getting a master's - I'd stay where you are unless you have a compelling reason.
    I know you're at Apple, so you might be in the Bay, but as a straight-out-of-college 200k'er, I can tell you that living in the Bay absolutely sucks. I'd take your TC to live in any other city, gladly. My 2 cents is do what you love, and if you make enough money forgot about the people who make more.
    May 30 11
    • Criteo / Eng ++i
      Besides terribly high housing costs, why does living in the Bay Area suck? I’m currently doing an internship out here and am probably going to move out here after I graduate next year if I score a full time offer.
      May 30
    • ViaSat / Product SprMP19
      Come to San Diego area. Similar high TC with a much lower cost of living!
      May 30
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      What companies are in San Diego? How many jobs are there?
      May 30
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Hey Amazon, what's your tech stack? I'm curious what tasks the new grads are assigned at work. Are you in AWS?
      May 30
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      BTW agree with Google. Not everyone is built for the 300+ TCs at FAANG. You need to be badass talented. Not average.
      May 30
    • Amazon inluv
      Flask+Jquery
      May 31
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Ahahahaha oh c'mon , flask and jQuery ahahahaaa you made my day
      May 31
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Maybe it's silverlight and shockwave? :)))
      May 31
    • Amazon inluv
      I’m serious
      May 31
    • Equinox Fitness azqO33
      How the hell are you comparing flask/jquery to silverlight/shockwave?
      7d
  • Amazon / Mgmt AbEX75
    Becoming a SW is the easiest thing ever, you never risk a life and there is always room to come back and fix a mistake ( aka code patch ). The same cannot be said for career move to for example a heart surgeon or an airline pilot.
    May 30 6
    • Wayfair / Eng
      jwxs26

      Wayfair Eng

      PRE
      Microsoft
      jwxs26more
      You don’t work for Boeing do you?
      May 30
    • Facebook EazyE
      Or UBER
      May 30
    • Criteo / Eng ++i
      See: Therac-25, the medical radiation therapy machine that killed cancer patients in the 80s due to poor code quality; Toyota’s lethal unintended acceleration due to poor software engineering practices; and, of course, Boeing’s fiasco with their non-redundant MCAS system that caused a few hundred deaths.
      May 30
    • Microsoft BLTa65
      Lol what a shitty SWE mindset, with no knowledge
      of history or even current events... not surprisingly it’s a guy in amazon management. 🙄
      May 30
    • Amazon / Mgmt AbEX75
      Guys, well you can scream and shout here, but doesn't change anything. He is not going to rewrite Boing flight code or tune a self drive algorithm on his first day and neither any one of you have or will do it. Instead of killing time here better try to solve and avoid weekly patch fixes to my Windows laptop. Can't say about Facebook, never used it for obvious reasons.
      May 30
    • Pure Storage iSSk05
      Either a troll or a complete lack of self awareness. It’s a lot easier to get some poor bastard killed than most people realize.
      May 30
  • Apple LaEb06
    To pacify you, SW engineer $150k TC... working for Apple, hard to believe right ? Yes been getting 0 RSU 0 Bonus almost every alternate year... RSU when I actually got are peanuts... you might be thinking I am underperformer but no that’s not true, changing teams backfired so much that they blocked my growth... got promoted every year for first 3 years that I joined, 3 patents on my name, top performer for any outside teams that I worked with and after that reality hit hard... politics, too much hiring and changing teams backfired .... so there are people like me who are in same boat as me... working for big companies is no fun anymore.... working on career change where people will recognize my value... EOP: 7
    May 30 10
    • Northrop Grumman HowCouldYu
      Dude... leave apple wtf
      May 30
    • Amazon fKhc35
      Come to Amazon
      May 30
    • Qualcomm
      c0dedead

      Qualcomm

      PRE
      Qualcomm
      BIO
      Embedded software engineer
      c0dedeadmore
      Yeah man you need to leave Apple
      May 30
    • Jet.com / Eng coderb
      I'm curious why didn't you already leave. Is it visa issues?
      May 30
    • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
      Every Tom dick and Harry is getting rsu refreshers at Apple. If you have so many patents and top performance, why weren’t you given any? Sounds like they are playing you for a fool.
      May 30
    • New drd00m
      Go to Tesla, SpaceX or to Facebook
      May 30
    • JOANY / Mgmt e^(iπ)+1=0
      How long have you been at Apple and where? If you're making $150k in The Bay and you ever got refreshers, this story doesn't add up.
      May 30
    • FileMaker / IT Hawas
      @laeb06 - i can feel your pain too. Been in the same boat. We might be even worse we come under Apple but no one even knows we are a part of Apple. Lol 😂
      May 30
    • Apple LaEb06
      I am stuck coz of H1B... dragged few years in hope that my situation will improve but now I am preparing myself for interview and just leave... not planning for big FANG but decent size with WLB
      Jun 2
    • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
      Buddy I am on h1b too and have changed jobs every two years on average without any issues and scored massive tc increases in the process. I don’t understand why you feel you are stuck on h1b. Most tech companies sponsor h1b transfers and do gc as well.
      Jun 2
  • New NHwH15
    Comparison is the thief of joy
    May 30 1
    • Life360 / Eng
      gru063

      Life360 Eng

      PRE
      Life360
      gru063more
      Well said.
      May 30
  • Indeed ind00d
    Money isn't everything. I took a paycut to take a role that I was much happier in
    May 30 2
    • Neurocrine D.Trump
      What was your previous company/role?
      May 30
    • Splunk / Eng it’ssimple
      All jobs wind up sucking, once your hiring manager leaves or gets transferred. Might as well make the money and not worry about the role.
      May 30
  • Microsoft GqTJ43
    150k is great money. At the start of 2015 I was getting paid 60k outside of tech, that year I was offered a .5% raise. That’s when I decided to quit. I figured out a way to pivot and now I’m making 3x. Sure that’s nothing in the world of Blind, but it’s substantially better than what most people I know are making. Everyone on this site is lucky as hell.
    May 30 7
    • Neurocrine D.Trump
      How did you make the shift? I earn similar to what you earned in 2015.
      May 30
    • Facebook / Data
      nBsf76

      Facebook Data

      PRE
      Apple
      nBsf76more
      Got ideas on finding a solid pivot path? Career counseling?
      May 30
    • Microsoft GqTJ43
      I’m on the Marketing/PR side. I had a bunch of friends who worked in tech and we’re getting paid. So I found a bunch of people in tech who had similar jobs and I started figuring how to follow their path.

      But it was absorbing as much experience as possible. I had to make two jumps to get here. So don’t fall in love with your current job, always look to pivot up.

      Ultimately it’s just a lot of work, learning and some luck. Work isn’t long hours. A lot of people I work with at my last job felt the deserved to be there. But didn’t put in the extra work. Also get used to rejection. I was rejected 23 times by Amazon, and I had MSFT experience. Finally the 24th time was the charm.
      May 30
    • Neurocrine D.Trump
      So Amazon actually interviewed you 23 times? I thought they wouldn't even call me if I get rejected, let's say 3 or 4 times.
      May 30
    • Microsoft GqTJ43
      Nah, just applied to 23 different positions. Only interviewed once, got the job.
      May 31
    • AIG / Product
      Raging

      AIG Product

      PRE
      Deloitte Digital
      BIO
      Counseling CxOs for AI-first strategy !
      Ragingmore
      😅
      Jun 2
    • Neurocrine D.Trump
      Lol that doesn't count as 23 rejections
      Jun 2
  • Schlumberger / Eng xsOO10
    I (26 yo) have worked very hard at jobs I've hated for 10 years to make 95k at a Legacy company if it makes you feel better.
    May 30 5
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Oh! It makes me feel better, thank you.
      May 30
    • SAP / Eng
      \*√*/

      SAP Eng

      PRE
      Teradata, Cisco
      \*√*/more
      What school did u go to ?
      May 31
    • Facebook / Eng
      baldnshort

      Facebook Eng

      PRE
      Facebook
      baldnshortmore
      Would you mind taking a further pay decrease of 10k? It will make us feel even better.
      May 31
    • Amazon bigbig
      If it makes you sad because people are better than you or happy because they are worse than you, it says more about you. TC is not your only problem.
      May 31
    • Facebook / Eng
      baldnshort

      Facebook Eng

      PRE
      Facebook
      baldnshortmore
      If you pass judgement on how others get their happiness, maybe TC is your problem?
      Jun 1
  • Uber ffYM86
    You only need enough money to live a decent life. Happiness comes from the impact of your work, not directly from the money itself. Focus on doing high impact work, and happiness will follow
    May 30 4
    • Microsoft minx
      ^this

      While money IS important it is only a means to an end. Yes you may make more money if you go back to school and get the SW training but (a) will you be happy writing code? (b) more importantly what do you have to give up for those years?
      May 30
    • Neurocrine D.Trump
      Not true. I do supposedly high impact work (patient care) but I get paid shit. So I don't think there's a correlation unless you are doing that high impact thing outside of work.
      May 30
    • Uber ffYM86
      Patient care is not high impact. You are barely touching a few hundred people. If your work changes the life of millions of people = high impact. The medical field is surprisingly low impact - each person only touching a few hundred people. Engineering( not every company ) is high impact eg Tesla pushing electrification, Apple changed phones, MS changed enterprise, Google changed knowledge indexing, Uber allows millions to make money and put food on the table.
      May 30
    • Technology is only a tool. You can’t touch the hearts of people until you meet them face to face.
      May 31
  • Google
    AIMLOK

    Google

    BIO
    I once served 5TB
    AIMLOKmore
    Leetcode your way out
    May 30 0
  • New / Eng sim0052
    28 year's old, 7 years experience as a SharePoint Consultant / Dev, make 103k base and 10% bonus no equity. Downloading Blind has been depressing
    May 30 4
    • Criteo / Eng ++i
      Where are you located?
      May 30
    • New / Eng sim0052
      Bay Area
      May 30
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Ahahahaha "downloading Blind has been depressing", true for me as well
      May 31
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Dude, manual QAs do 100k. Go get a raise :)
      May 31
  • New / Ops
    tooQ10

    New Ops

    PRE
    Rakuten USA
    tooQ10more
    OP, I'm 43, have a master's and PhD, and make 3.1k per 200-hour working month in financial services. Salary hasn't gone up since the 2009 crisis and I can't imagine ever passing an interview to go work somewhere else, so I'm staying here.

    But I still have food on my plate and a roof over my head, so I'm not complaining. I still live better than more than half the world.

    So do you. Learn to be happy with it.

    If I'm going to complain about something, it's not going to be work; it's going to be than I never got to have children, or visit a lot if foreign countries, or experience romantic passion. Those are the things you lament on your deathbed, not how much less rich you were compared to the neighbors.
    May 30 3
    • Intuit CowsRfuzzy
      Agreed. Don't turn life into a dick measuring contest, because the only race is with yourself.
      May 30
    • New / Consultant
      10charact

      New Consultant

      PRE
      NYC Department of Education
      10charactmore
      Money does help pay for those things tho
      May 30
    • Chase onlypjay
      Well said
      May 31
  • eBay / Eng
    mDBW53

    eBay Eng

    PRE
    NVIDIA
    mDBW53more
    Switch jobs. Then you’ll make as much. The problem is new jobs go for a lot. Your 3% yearly raise is why you make so little.
    May 30 1
    • Chase onlypjay
      Many years no raise as well
      May 31
  • New SBdM60
    Title is misleading 😒
    May 29 1
    • Apple xcodec
      OP
      Ok, edited the title
      May 29
  • Qualcomm
    c0dedead

    Qualcomm

    PRE
    Qualcomm
    BIO
    Embedded software engineer
    c0dedeadmore
    Bro I'm 36 I make 149 base RSUs dried up so this year's TC would be around 180k probably. I am in embedded software so I mean don't feel bad about your situation. 10 years ago big data was the new thing coming to the market. The increased social activity created new avenues for marketing. It's simply the skills new grads are coming out with are far more in demand.

    Corporate lawyers make a lot of money too. How about surgeons or lobbyists. You can make the switch to software and earn the market rate dough. If you like hardware, stay in it enjoy your work stop comparing with others.
    May 30 0
  • New oramsa
    First world problem, I work on two platforms ios and android using two different languages and get paid 11K tc
    May 30 11
    • Intuit CowsRfuzzy
      Welcome to India
      May 30
    • New oramsa
      Nepal , but i work for a company based in New York, so you guys have it pretty good compared to us lol
      May 30
    • Intuit CowsRfuzzy
      Yeah I've heard salaries being piss poor outside of the USA. I'm surprised more work isn't outsourced.
      May 30
    • Amazon rajjj
      Cost of living is very low in Nepal I guess
      May 30
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Holy moly, please do not advertise Nepal to all other employers, they might replace us here with 10 person team per 1 local. Omg. That's really crazy.
      But why don't you just freelance on upwork\fiverr?? You'll make more on a per project basis I think.
      May 31
    • New oramsa
      Actually not very much, like Kathmandu where i live it is expensive, if you want to buy a house it costs 180k just for a family home, cars are 3xthe us price cuz 300%tax
      May 31
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Ehm, so how do you guys survive with 11k?
      May 31
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      I mean, can you keep the savings throughout reincarnation, to finally buy the house in the next cycle? 😅😂🙃🙂
      May 31
    • Intuit CowsRfuzzy
      Most countries don't pay programmers the salaries that US commands. I'm surprised there isn't more outsourcing but I guess the problem is intellectual theft.
      May 31
    • Amazon gDVc56
      Most big companies have offices in countries where programmer labour is cheaper.... And there is actually plenty of outsourcing going on...
      May 31
  • Google 🚲 gbike
    Get into hardware specifically for ML or VR... processors I guess. There should be lots of money there
    May 30 7
    • American Express uktg07
      What is ML?
      May 30
    • New / IT xGeH72
      Machine Learning
      May 30
    • New bt12321
      Yikes
      May 30
    • Splunk / Eng it’ssimple
      A fancy way of saying we gave up on AI but at least we can get our computers to record activity and take action based on mathematical analysis of past activity.

      (Disclaimer: my company sells ML products. I speak tongue-in-cheek and do not represent any of the company’s AI/ML products. 😀)
      May 30
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Splunk sells ML? O_o
      ML for the aggregated logs that were accumulated? As anomaly detection like we do with elastalert?
      May 30
    • Splunk Draft
      The "machine learning toolkit" is free, and runs on top of Splunk. Allows you to leverage all the algorithms in scipy right in Splunk
      May 31
    • American Express uktg07
      Thanks. Never heard that stated as an acronym :)
      May 31
  • Google mxbeksn
    If you are the best at what you do, you will earn banks regardless of HW or SW.
    May 30 1
    • Twitter finetody
      By definition not everyone can be the best.
      May 30
  • KPMG / Mgmt
    Bad_Kitty

    KPMG Mgmt

    PRE
    LinkedIn, McKinsey
    Bad_Kittymore
    If you're going to indulge in comparisons, be a good scientist and include a proper sample. There are many professions that make far less than 150K base at 30. Unfortunately, we live in a system where demand and supply (and company valuations) determines TC, rather than difficulty or skill level across different professions. Valuations are fundamentally different for HW vs SW companies driven by the zero marginal cost of SW. For example, I cringe every time I hear about how little teachers are paid. If education was like Tech, and TC was impact driven, teachers would be paid a small percentage of earnings of every student that ever went through their class. I hear you and sympathize - SWEs can be quite insufferable with their endless opportunities and ridiculous TCs.
    As for solutions/ideas - I would recommend getting an MBA. I think it's the only professional degree where you will get on an accelerated TC path, while also getting credit for your pre-degree YOE.
    (TC - 600K, 8 yrs into a switch to strategy/biz focused roles. Before the switch, TC as a HW engineer, with a PhD, was 95K. I was lucky that I got into Mgmt consulting without getting an MBA). I hope that provides some hope and perhaps inspiration?
    May 30 1
    • Bain & Company uqRH20
      Wow you're really making 600K? It's hard to believe cause I know consulting/strategy/biz ops don't make that much.
      Jun 2
  • Disney omegared
    You should go back to school if you don’t like what you do and instead would prefer to be a dev. You shouldn’t do it if it’s just about money. Don’t concern yourself with what others are making. Life isn’t fair and there will always be some undeserving shit that’s younger than you but makes more. Just don’t pay attention to it and it won’t bother you.
    May 30 0
  • Accenture bindok
    No matter what, don't f**king give up.
    May 30 0
  • Amazon gDVc56
    If you haven't switched jobs that's probably why. Switching jobs to a new company, even if you interview for similar domain roles, is the quickest way to get yourself level set against current market conditions. So if everyone is earning more, then once when you switch you should be negotiating to get to the market rate matching your experiences. And no matter whether it's hardware or software, it should be better than internal raises you get annually.
    This is, unless you really like your current job, then it'd be hard to leave of course.
    I actually think hardware folks, especially good ones, are harder to come by. As it requires more investment to learn and understand and the market is not saturated with people who are able to design hardware... So look around!!
    May 30 2
    • Very few companies pay well . Intel pays shit , Nvidia paid well for the people who saw the stock appreciate crazy , forget it now . Same for AMD . Marvell is a body shop . google probably has the best salary for hardware roles
      May 30
    • Amazon gDVc56
      Amazon also has a hardware division! (Shameless plug lol)
      May 30
  • Chegg OqTx64
    With money comes stress. Be happy what you make and don’t look at it. I see things like this all the time and honestly I’d rather have the job I have with work/life balance than be someone who only knows work. Also remember most younger people don’t have the obligations older folks do so working more might just be there happy place/path
    May 30 0
  • Twitch / Biz Dev Riw948f92
    I feel you man... Studying business in undergrad was a big mistake... Thinking of going back to do a cs degree... But am afraid I'll get schooled by 20 year Olds who can work 3x harder than I can and are more well versed in tech...

    Honestly, I think we're fucked.
    May 30 13
    • Neurocrine D.Trump
      How did you relearn? Tell us more about your preparation.
      May 30
    • Google / Eng g3doc
      CTCI, leetcode, grokking the system design interview, lots of googling reading watching vids and flashcards
      May 30
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Can you recommend flashcards that are code indentation friendly? I tried Anki but it's not good.
      May 30
    • Google / Eng g3doc
      Yeah I used Anki for its spaced repetition. I think you can format the text if you want to it's all HTML under the hood
      May 31
    • Neurocrine D.Trump
      Any good video suggestions? I heard about Tushar Roy.
      May 31
    • Google / Eng g3doc
      Nothing in particular. There are good ones on YouTube though for sure.
      May 31
    • Bain & Company uqRH20
      Agree with you. Wish I did CS. We're all fucked.
      Jun 2
    • Twitch / Data select *
      @bain honestly, youre fine. Management consulting training can get you into a strategy role at just about any company, and while you get paid half of eng, you can still do cool shit.

      My background was in investment banking. Holy shit, that boot camp made me dumb af. To this day, I can't for the life of me pass case interviews or think with framework structures. Cause back in the days, I got it beat into me that the only viable way to solve problems was to boil the ocean and spend endless all-nighter finding the definitive answer on the internet, and any market sizing estimates without expert backing received a hard slap across the face :(

      Be thankful that you're at least smart whereas I'm not only fucked, I'm now dumb too :(
      Jun 2
    • Dropbox / Eng EGmQ80
      Doesn't biz dev and enterprise sales also pay a lot?
      Jun 11
    • Bain & Company uqRH20
      Enterprise sales yes
      Biz dev I think less so
      Jun 12
  • Life360 / Eng
    gru063

    Life360 Eng

    PRE
    Life360
    gru063more
    Here is an idea to OP:
    Take a pay cut and join a startup, a real one that just raised Series A or B. It will give you perspective you can never have in a big co. You will prioritize making impact with your work rather than obsessing about TC, because it is hard to compare equity.
    May 30 3
    • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
      It’s hard to compare equity because in 9/10 private companies, it’s worth nothing.
      May 30
    • Amazon / Eng fahrenheit
      This is the worst advice I've ever seen in Blind. Congratulations.
      May 30
    • Apple woodkid
      Wow this is bad advice
      Jun 3
  • VMware / Eng
    PJLD43

    VMware Eng

    BIO
    Sr MTS.
    PJLD43more
    Switch to a company which rewards hardware engineers. A lot of companies are doing IoT, machine learning, edge networking, mobile device, augmented and virtual reality. You can find a job in that domains and succeed too.
    May 30 1
    • Sandia National Laboratories / Eng
      yoshee

      Sandia National Laboratories Eng

      BIO
      Early career Embedded Hardware Engineer
      yosheemore
      What companies did you have in mind that reward hardware engineers?
      May 30
  • Amazon / Eng Dr. 👩‍🦱
    “I cried because I had no shoes until I met a man who had no feet”
    May 31 0
  • American Express uktg07
    Comparison is the thief of joy.
    May 30 0
  • Amazon Zxabehbw
    I encourage you to switch to sw
    May 30 5
    • New / Finance fCNy78
      Sorry but what is SW
      May 30
    • Microsoft jdjfjfcj
      Its southwest, they are saying you should head southwest. Better money there.
      May 30
    • Accolade / Eng Tormuund
      Now he'll ask which city.. lol 😂😂
      May 30
    • New / Eng Bsky
      It's probably software engineer
      May 30
    • New / Eng
      TechLeed

      New Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      TechLeedmore
      It's SoftWare, because he abbreviated HardWare as HW
      May 30
  • Amazon awssdm
    Fuck you, i was making 100k at 30.
    May 30 0
  • HBO AnuN65
    I’ve met a bunch of hardware engineers who ended up in software. The economic incentive is definitely there. And for some things I’ve been really impressed by the way hardware engineers solve software problems. There’s definitely enough overlap to be taken seriously once you get a year or so of solid experience under your belt.

    It’s worth exploring, but to be honest you should go with what you enjoy more, not just reinvent yourself for more TC.

    Who knows what the future brings. All us web devs could end up learning ML or something else in 4 years to keep up with where the high TC is at.
    May 29 0
  • Google abc.xyzzz
    well you wouldn't be really giving up on your career. HW is closer to software than many other disciplines which people switch from. and your background in HW could be very useful in a software position.
    May 29 0
  • Lyft jNj7gP
    TC 650k, no CS degree. 15 YoE
    May 30 7
    • Apple LaEb06
      Then ?
      May 30
    • Microsoft
      ho🚪

      Microsoft

      PRE
      Cubic
      ho🚪more
      Pre-IPO valuation or current valuation?
      May 30
    • New / Ops
      tooQ10

      New Ops

      PRE
      Rakuten USA
      tooQ10more
      Found the veteran major league baseball player.
      May 30
    • Lyft jNj7gP
      Current valuation. I wasn’t an early employee, only joined a year ago.
      May 30
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Nice! By the way how much of it is cash after taxes, 60%?
      May 31
    • Netflix a1b2c3d4z
      When you say tc 650. How much of that is stock based on today’s valuation and how much is vested. ?
      Jun 2
    • Netflix a1b2c3d4z
      Say if I had 1 mil in Netflix options in the 4 years I have been there. Would my tc today be 500+1M/4 = 750k
      Jun 2
  • New EcVa56
    A lot of good comments here. I also have 20 YOE. I used to make 180K TC and so much winning in life (did MMA, marathon, build friendships, traveling the world, the best shape of my life). Then I got on BLIND and realized I could double my salary so I hopped on a new shinning thing. Other than the fact I gotto Mint and see my money growing faster, I am not as happy. I packed on 20 lbs, travel less and run like once a month.

    I need to rebuild more winnings in my life. Don’t get into the TC game, life is more than that.
    Jun 1 2
    • Microsoft GqTJ43
      Is this David Goggins?
      Jun 1
    • Neurocrine D.Trump
      Agree to live being more than TC. Very few blinders realize this.
      Jun 1

Join verified employees in our anonymous social network! Download the app!

close