Do conservatives still think calling the alt-right “NAZIs” is fake news?

Credit Karma EllisDee25
Oct 27, 2018 33 Comments

Just asking since I’ve been in lots of arguments here where conservatives claim the alt-right don’t actually exist - or if it does exist it’s just harmless Trump supporters and represent no real threat.

But then the news in the last two weeks has proven that not to be the case as the FBI arrested neo-NAZIs who are friends with the “free speech” protest organizations, Proud Boys got invited to a mainstream Republican event and went on a romper-stomper run in Manhattan, a guy using alt-right social media just shot a bunch of innocent people as well as law enforcement.

Still think Antifa is exaggerating, that BLM is a danger to police? Coz, that’s not what reality looks like. Are Antifa still the real NAZIs or are the NAZIs the real NAZIs?

Frankly I’m pissed that conservatives have downplayed these warnings over some misguided “team right-wing” unity and I’m upset that liberals often don’t distinguish the threat of the fascist alt right from just the regular stupidity of the RNC. Let’s take this more seriously so that people can go to their temple or black church or Muslim mosque without fear.

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  • O'Reilly Media Cindy
    Omg you were so right. Everyone was so wrong. How can we make it up you.
    Oct 27, 2018 9
    • O'Reilly Media Cindy
      Im not an alt right supporter you idiot. I have nothing to reflect on. Never made any statements about any of this. Stop assuming shit about people.
      Oct 27, 2018
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      OP
      The person I was debating was not alt-right, they were a conservative and I was arguing that conservatives shouldn’t cover for the alt-right because they’re fascists. That person said the alt-right was a myth by the liberal press and only a tiny number and insignificant at any rate.

      I thought it was you, but I guess I was mistaken. I apologize.

      What do you think people should do to prevent the far right from gaining more ground and encouraging blackshirt tactics like the Proud Boys and lone wolf attacks like in Pittsburgh or the anti-immigrant terrorists in Europe shooting people in refugee camps?
      Oct 27, 2018
    • New aLuu55
      When you look at a Trump rally, it’s always going to be packed almost entirely by white people. To me, that’s a huge red flag. For any political movement throughout history, having a party that is all one race is usually a very bad sign.

      It tells you they are more of an ethnic/racial movement than a political movement led by facts and logical thought. And when I look at what Trump and the GOP says, it’s almost entirely fact-free trash and lies, stoking the flames of ignorance and racial tension for his own political gain.

      I’m no democrat, but the right these days is filled by gullible people who cannot distinguish fact from opinion, people who are motivated almost entirely by racial resentment and tribal groupthink and ideology.

      For example, Trump says he’s “draining the swamp”. But when you look at what he’s actually DOING, he’s appointed more corporate lobbyists in his first year than Obama did in his entire 8 years. He’s basically acting as a frontman for everything Goldman Sachs and the other big banks want. And as a result he’s raising enormous amounts of corporate dark money for his 2020 race. It’s disgusting. Any logical thinking person would see Trump and the GOP for what they really are: corrupt sleazebags.
      Oct 27, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng WfPI23
      Your argument doesn't make sense about when seeing tons of white supporters then there is a red flag. More than 72% of population is white in US, what's wrong with seeing that? There might be many reasons for what you described but only few suggests a massive white supremacy ideology formation.

      You say you are no democrat, but you might be extreme left who simply hate whatever trump does. Tons of conspiracy theory just no better than what alt right is doing. You guys just always fail to see that you are exactly what you disdain.
      Oct 27, 2018
    • New Bross
      Whenever I see any rally in canada or mexico or anywhere in the world, the group is almost entirely one race! They are all obviosuly racists!
      Oct 28, 2018
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    OP
    What do you think conservatives can do to help prevent the far right from gaining more ground and encouraging blackshirt tactics like the Proud Boys and lone wolf attacks like in Pittsburgh or the anti-immigrant terrorists in Europe shooting people in refugee camps?

    What should liberals do to help prevent this threat from the far-right?
    Oct 27, 2018 10
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      OP
      Seriously, you think some finger-wagging is the best defense against white nationalists? Tsk-tsk, it’s bad and evil to burn down that church or beat those people.

      Do you think people who wear skull masks, fantasize about genocide and have big portraits of Hitler in their house care about your moral condemnation?

      On the other hand, the direct protest of the alt right in Boston by huge numbers of people helped set them back after Charlottesville. Also, because the far right were so outnumbered there was little or no violence as far as I’m aware.

      I disagree with some Antifa strategy and tactics: the Left should reach out to non-leftists, not cover their faces; our best strengths against fascism is numbers, democracy and solidarity - fighting them 1-on-1 evens the odds and gives the NAZIs the chance to try and beat leftists (which is what they want to do in the first place!)

      But if it’s apologizing for them to share their goal: i’m guilty. Fascism should be prevented from taking root - it is poison for democracy. I just think we need to fight it using our real strength which is potentially large mobilizations that would show them that they are unwelcome and unpopular.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • New Bross
      Antifa as a faction is fascist. So not sure what you are on about.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      OP
      Antifa want to place a “natural” unequal hierarchy onto society where they are at top? They want to ethnically cleanse the US?

      Or are they motivated to counter protest fascists ?

      I think you need a more specific and precise definition of fascism. They are counter-protesting fascists, they would disappear if the alt-right went away. Antifa existed before during the racist skinhead movement... then was dropped by those activists when the skinheads more or less fractured and went back underground.

      Do you think alt-right fascists would stop once they silenced the left? Or would they move on to liberals and then conservatives?
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Amazon toil
      Well, I suspect I'd be hit in the head with a baseball bat by @EllisDee25 if I ever had a opinion different from theirs.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      OP
      I guess you are a suspicious and paranoid person?
      Oct 28, 2018
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    Why do American liberal people try to pin every horrific event on their own political enemies? Do they even realize they are doing it?
    Oct 27, 2018 2
    • Why did the German people reject NAZI-ism ? Oh yeah in the long run it fucked the country to hell, I remember ... US alt right will fuck us up even worse - stop sheltering these fuckups with FOX News
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      OP
      ^hell, why did Americans reject the far right religion the last time it began to mainstream... oh yeah, massive federal building bombing by a right-wing pro-militia gun nut who believed that socialists were going to take over if he didn’t take action.

      Conservatives and Republicans (by and large) are not fascists. My criticism of them is that they’ve been excusing and appeasing fascists due to some misguided sense of right-wing unity.

      The fascists used to be every American’s political enemy. But then conservatives who’ve had the waters muddied for them by fantasies of fascism being far-left are really confused about the actual fascist tendencies on the far right.

      So, thinking that only the left can be “the real NAZIs” they’ve invited proud boys to mainstream Republican events, used whataboutism and “both sides arguments” (to be fair, liberals originated that one before Trump said it) to try and deflect criticism about the far right extremists.

      It’s beyond me why conservatives would tolerate and make excuses for fascist alt right people who turn around and call them “cuckservatives” and would kill conservatives who got in their way if they ever got any power.
      Oct 28, 2018
  • Amazon toil
    Conservativism is not related to alt-right.

    Seriously, all them alt-right idiots want big government with big social programs just like the leftists. They're as racist as leftists too. Leftists are starting to be even more racist in my opinion. Why is race still even a thing? Affirmative action is racism. You don't get a united society by dividing people up by arbitrary groupings.

    Conservatives believe in the power of the individual, and keeping the liberty promised in the constitution.
    Oct 27, 2018 1
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      OP
      You’re right that the far-right are not like conservatives, but wrong about the equation with the left.

      Believing in identity politics might be wrong, but there’s no symmetry between that and people who want ethnic cleansing and ethic states, even if those white nationalists use identity politics language.
      Oct 27, 2018
  • Apple Jim Cook
    Not surprised they are trying to downplay them. The dirty little secret is the basis of these extremists/ nazis’ motivation (racial/ ethnic hatred) is the core of Trump’s appeal. The fact is that these people aren’t some extremists off the Trump reservation - they are just more shameless in expressing themselves and more violent than your average Trump supporter.
    Oct 27, 2018 0
  • Microsoft TonyM
    Why don’t you find a political forum? Seriously.
    Oct 27, 2018 0
  • Medallia hFEH36
    Ellis is at it again. Get a life.
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • Google tc?..$FU
    Equating alt-right and right is fake news.
    Oct 27, 2018 0
  • Expedia Ytdj51
    Ok... alt right and conservatives are not the same. Just like Antifa and progressives are not the same. Alt right and Antifa are both political fanatical fringe elements.
    Oct 27, 2018 0
  • Conservatism is so much more than anti-Semitism. It's anti-Hispanicism, anti-immigrism, anti-scientism, anti-individualism, anti-taxism, anti-native-americanism, anti-votingism, anti-americism(russianism). basically it's anti-*. (which re.matches anti-christ)
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • Amazon dBpX76
    Can you give a TL;DR? Looks small brained but can’t be bothered to read your entire rant
    Oct 27, 2018 0

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