Do men need to check their privilege? | Factual Feminist

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Jul 17, 2018 55 Comments

https://youtu.be/cRsYwu8uD4I

Inviting a civil discussion here, no trolls please.
This the the most factual feminist presentation I’ve seen so far.

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  • New nrJe73
    She’s stupid. The definition of stupidity. The new right wing propaganda machines...having their women try to sell other women on their “achieved equality”. It’s pathetic. Poor men their so neglected these days. This shit is super fucked up.
    Jul 17, 20188
    • Microsoft nelsonpa
      ‘Right’ wing propaganda machines???
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Facebook AsEB37
      OP
      She quoted facts and cited scientific studies. Did you even watch the video? She even pulled out the abstracts of the published results so you don’t have to. Respect #facts ?
      Jul 17, 2018
    • New nrJe73
      She twisted the facts and you sound just as stupid
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Facebook AsEB37
      OP
      She’s a well respected academic. Wtf are you talking about?
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Microsoft nelsonpa
      ^btw, you asked for a civil discussion and then implied derangement. You didn’t need to imply that.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Facebook AsEB37
      OP
      I responded to being called stupid.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Microsoft nelsonpa
      I know.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Microsoft 🔪 mkay
      Women's attacks when no arguments:
      - you are stupid
      - you have a small d*ck
      - who hurt you?
      - be a gentleman
      Jul 17, 2018
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    Adding facts to an argument does not make the argument itself “factual”. That’s an incredibly superficial way to judge the worth of an argument. Are there footnotes... well I guess their whole argument must be correct!

    “Men do hard jobs so they’re not privileged” - she’s comparing women lawyers to male construction workers, but the wives or sisters of those construction workers are likely not lawyers, they’re working in other hard jobs probably in services.

    “Women excel in education” yes in lower grades where wages are lower as public school have been cut and the teaching profession has been devalued. Every time there is a teacher’s strike, op-Ed’s complain... “well I though these women cared about children, that’s why they want to go into education”. Sexism is at play in the teaching profession as it has been transformed into glorified daycare. The underlying assumption is that women “nurture” while men “educate”.

    Other claims in the video aren’t even backed up.
    Jul 17, 201821
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Zakk, you’ve built quite the erratic straw-argument there.

      My post is in reply to all those saying: “facts were quoted in the argument anecdotally... therefore the argument itself is factual.”

      Your replies are absurd donkey-spittle. The argument in the video was not about comparing people in different countries, so to make that demand is simple goal-post moving. If we were to do so, then my question is who are we comparing? A female ceo in Mexico and a female ceo in the US? A rural woman in southern Mexico and a rural woman in Appalachia? A working class woman in DF and a working class woman in Los Angeles?

      If you want to compare a woman who is a CEO in the US to a woman in the US who is a single-mom working for Walmart, then I think you’ll find quite a difference in the way sexism impacts their lives. If you compare a Mexican ceo and a worker in Mexico City, there’d be a similar divide. And if you compare a us ceo and Mexican worker, there’d also be a difference. But none of that negates the fact that on some level systemic sexism is at play even if it’s male executives dismissing you in one case and generalized devaluation of your labor as a service worker (since women “want to help” by their nature, and besides this is just “extra income for her - tips are enough to live off” according to common assumptions) in another.

      It can always “always be worse” so this is not an argument on your part - just an appeal for others to have to put up with shit for the sake of preserving the status quo.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      AsEB, yeah at the beginning of the video she listed several arguments by feminists and just said “but those aren’t true”.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Facebook AsEB37
      OP
      ..And then she justified it by showing citations.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Where’d she show that? I saw her post screenshots of the headlines for articles she says use “exaggerated facts” but just says “they’re not true” or “exaggerated”.

      I guess this is the other weak point in the “there’s statistics, so the argument is fact” argument: the whole argument of the video is that stats used by feminists are exaggerated or misinterpreted. But I don’t think the “facts = truth” argument posted by people here really has an unbiased factual assessment as the main motivation. Just confirmation bias... “I don’t want to think that racism or sexism really exist because I like my fantasy of liberal democracy or meritocracy... oh, here’s someone that sounds reasonable and is telling me I don’t need to be concerned because sexism doesn’t actually exist. Phew!”
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Facebook Corgii
      It’s true. You’re displaying the same fallacy of behavior as OP and the video author. You cling to the social constructionist ideology and then go looking for facts to support it. Why so bitter when others adopt similar techniques but do it better? Feminism is no longer a movement for equality of opportunity. It’s become a movement of the oppression Olympics, victimhoom settlement and resentment. Just google for #WalkAway to see the mass movement that’s just beginning because people are waking up to the truth.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Google snekbuddy
      #WalkAway is a hashtag that’s been HEAVILY propped up by Russia influence operations...

      No, this isn’t some tinfoil bullshit, have a look at the Hamilton Dashboard.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Facebook Corgii
      Oh, I bet you also think we didn’t really land on the moon, @snekbuddy? 🤔
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Google snekbuddy
      Do you even know what the Hamilton Dashboard is? In a nutshell there are known russian astroturfing twitter accounts and this analyses/aggregates the hashtags and trends they’re pushing. #WalkAway didn’t have much traction initially and was then picked up and pushed by those accounts and some Russian propaganda outlets.

      I don’t even need to make any logical jumps here you can check that shit for yourself. Or pretend it’s not happening, if that’s your deal.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Facebook Corgii
      I know the Hamilton 68 dashboard and it’s not a source of truth. You seem brainwashed. Just browse through this group - and see the thousands of real people’s testimonials. They’ve even started attaching their photos and videos to the testimonials to respond to “Russian bot” accusations.

      https://m.facebook.com/#!/groups/1945356878817544

      Btw this entire assumption that Russia linked outlets are propaganda is FALSE. Remember that post 9/11 the American media was the propaganda machine spouting weapons of mass destruction, war mongering and anti Saddam sentiment. We all know how that played out. Now scroll back and look for the coverage videos from channels like RT and AJ and you’ll see how true and non-propagandist they were.

      This entire 2016 story of Russian election interference is a similar case where an external enemy has been propped up to cover the failure of the media narrative in the US (CNN, MSNBC etc). Of course I’m not denying that hackers exist, but they’ve existed for the last decade. Nothing too sinister in their impact in 2016. Before that it was the Chinese hackers that were blamed for various failures. It’s a blame game, you’ve gotta look at the entire picture to understand their motives. Even Fox is less authentic to be honest. Remember how NBC faked the entire Michael Brown story to push white oppressor narrative when the black guy was clearly the aggressor?
      Jul 18, 2018
    • Google snekbuddy
      I’m saying the hashtag was initially grassroots and was significantly propped up by Russian propaganda efforts. You showing me a facebook group with the grassroots members of the hashtag does nothing to invalidate my claim.

      The 2016 efforts were not strictly limited to hacking, there was a large disinformation campaign at work and that is (along with the email hacks etc) why Russia is getting pointed at. The US itself has some huge issues and Trump can’t be wholly foisted on Russia, they’re not entirely responsible for him. But they did play a role and for a foreign adversary to tip the scales of US democracy is not ok.

      I’m not even gonna touch your claim that RT is “non-propagandist”.
      Jul 18, 2018
  • EA r8lF9
    OP, are you 12? Do you have any female friends?
    Jul 17, 201810
    • Microsoft 🔪 mkay
      Both of your questions are not relevant to discussion and are personal attacks.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Facebook AsEB37
      OP
      You can see that the video was authored by an elderly woman who is a respected academic. Why so bitter about science and facts, girl? Open your mind.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • EA r8lF9
      OP being 12 and not having female friends are perfectly pertinent questions. Would explain a lot.

      The same author who is at AEI? That charming org that tried to bribe scientists to deny climate change? Great! I’m sure there’s zero misinterpretation of data coming out of such a prestigious organization.

      Do you know what would be great? - if people did their own critical thinking after watching something before just throwing YouTube shit at the share-wall.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Microsoft 🔪 mkay
      Still doesn't explain how those questions are relevant. But don't bother.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Facebook AsEB37
      OP
      @r8IF9 seems to be brainwashed and not willing to think critically. AdHominem and name calling and asking the age of people you’re speaking with are not acceptable ways to engage in a civil debate. It’s the definition of being an a**hole.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • EA TC3PO
      I already accused you lot of not being able to think critically, at least the I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I defence is helping me infer the answers to some of my questions.

      And drop the enlightened centrism. Be like the other guy, recommend people watch The Red Pill movie. Makes it a lot more entertaining.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Facebook Corgii
      Haha he doesn’t need to. There are enough people reading through to see the voice of reason and to see how illogical and resentful a representative of the gender activist actually is. Good job! You’re helping advance the voice of reason. I think you might actually be the 12 year old in mental age ;)
      Jul 17, 2018
    • EA TC3PO
      I mean, the most liked comment in the thread and second most liked comment disagree with your theory.

      But sure, whatever helps you sleep at night hun.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Facebook Corgii
      Most liked comment is @mkay calling you out for bs. 😂🤣🤣
      Jul 17, 2018
    • EA TC3PO
      The thread - not this comment
      Jul 17, 2018
  • Yahoo Whtvr
    Many of the men’s problems she cited are precisely due to anti-female mentality, so men can benefit from feminism too
    Jul 17, 20182
    • Facebook Corgii
      No feminism is fake. Start pushing for affirmative action on women in construction and plumbing and farming and I’ll sign up. Until then I’ll convince everyone I know to be against the plague of feminism and expose the movement for what it is.
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Yahoo Whtvr
      Wrong. We should push for women in STEM so together we eliminate these unnecessarily manual jobs. By the way farming is already very much automated and is extremely lucrative here in California without over-time like techies in the SV. I’d take farming over any tech job of anyone on Blind.
      Jul 18, 2018
  • New / EngZakkDiaz
    You are upset because you were confronted with facts you don't want to hear. You are the definition of stupid
    Jul 17, 20183
    • Facebook AsEB37
      OP
      You meant to write this as a reply to the comment above?
      Jul 17, 2018
    • New / EngZakkDiaz
      Sorry post above*
      Jul 17, 2018
    • Facebook AsEB37
      OP
      👍
      Jul 17, 2018
  • Compass / Eng
    FUPayMe

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    Oh boy...
    Jul 17, 20180
  • New / EngZakkDiaz
    No one here is even trying to argue that "Men are oppressed". It's just that life is difficult for everyone. Your life sucks and so does mine. But other people have it worse, so make the best of what you have. Instead of trying to place the blame, you should be arguing that women have real biological differences than men and we express our selves differently. Our psychology leaves men to be more aggressive and women to be more nurturing. As for war, many men would jeopardize the mission to save a woman whereas he wouldn't behave in such a way otherwise. You can blame men generically for that but it's a part of human instinct.
    Jul 17, 20181
    • Facebook Corgii
      Exactly
      Jul 17, 2018
  • Microsoft 🔪 mkay
    Overall good video, but conclusions on 5:37 are plain wrong. It IS a battle of opposing genders. If anybody wants to learn more about the problem I'd recommend to watch The Red Pill movie.
    Jul 17, 20181
    • Facebook AsEB37
      OP
      Link?
      Jul 17, 2018
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    Nothing she cites as “oppression of men” are due to men being men and several are examples of anti-women stereotypes (which imo is how anti-woman sexism indirectly hurts men.) Where there is stereotyping or bigotry in these examples it’s due to the men being black/Native American or poor/white trash... not “because” they are simply men.

    “Men are in the army more” - yeah, women were barred from combat due to sexist attitudes about women not being tough enough.

    “Men are the majority of prisoners.” Well it’s great to see conservatives like the AEI are on board with protesting the oppressive practices of the US justice system... oh, what’s that, the statistically disproportionate incarceration of black people, Latinos or native Americans doesn’t reveal any bias in the prison system? But you just said the number of men shows—bah, never mind!
    Jul 17, 20180

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