Do you support H1B country quota?

Oct 10, 2018 28 Comments

Only 80,000 H1B visas are issued every year. Since there are more applicants than visa available, so there is a lottery every year. Indian and Chinese account for overwhelmingly larger number of H1B holders since they have a lot more applicants than ppl from other country. Do you support H1B country cap so that all nationals have equal chance?

207 VOTES SELECT ONLY ONE ANSWER
VOTE VIEW RESULT

comments

Want to comment? LOG IN or SIGN UP
TOP 28 Comments
  • Microsoft / Eng mkayπŸ”ͺ
    Lottery is dumb. Priority should be by salary. That way best talent will be attracted, which is the intent of h1b.
    Oct 10, 2018 3
    • OP
      The thing is salary is relative to regions and industries. Salary is also not the only way to evaluate talent. A PhD biochemist in Midwest makes a lot less than a rookie software engineer in Bay area. It makes more sense to factor in the education level, salary, region and industry to determine the priority
      Oct 10, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      Was Geht

      Apple Eng

      PRE
      AMD
      BIO
      Spittoon of Upper Mgmt
      Was Gehtmore
      Salaries can be normalized region-wise.
      Oct 10, 2018
    • ASML shit hole
      Need more h1b quota. Make the cake bigger, not how to divide it.
      Oct 10, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng PokeHuman
    Chinese are in different situation from Indians. They get their green card within 4-5 years because significant portion of them go back to China. Also Indians are mostly on master program for CS and EE which are primarily for getting a job in US; therefore, Indians are many times more than Chinese including h1b and green card application. Having many engineering office branches and staffing agencies in India make them easy to come and apply for these as well. H1B for example was filed by mostly Indians like 80%. So I think you want to separate Chinese in the poll option. Chinese colleagues I know are not too disappointed by long green card queue.
    Oct 10, 2018 0
  • Microsoft kLTH12
    The whole point of country quota is diversity. So yes I support it.
    Lottery however is a dumb system. That should be replaced by some sort of merit system. Even prioritizing MS/phd grads over others can be a good criterion. That will benefit both the educational and corporate sector of the country.
    Oct 10, 2018 4
    • Amazon cayle
      Education is a shitty way to do it. It's just false that people with two more years of education are more meritorious than somebody with two more years work experience.

      I'd take the guy who had 2yrs at Google any day over the guy with a master's from University of Phoenix.

      Way too many people enroll in master's and PhD degree programs just to get an immigration benefit.

      Often all you are measuring is the level of desperation: a more desperate person is willing to waste years on getting a credential for an immigration benefit than a less desperate person.
      Oct 10, 2018
    • Microsoft kLTH12
      Let’s say priority to a degree from US university over foreign universities. That was the point.
      Google is so big, I won’t hold work ex at Google a credibility factor. What did you really do during your 2 years at Google? A person at some random company could also learn just as much or more based on what position they are holding and their job description is.
      Oct 10, 2018
    • Amazon cayle
      You can say the same thing about master's. University is Phoenix is a US University and I don't think a master's from it is any indication of merit at all, in fact, to me it's a negative.

      And again, even from a good school the master's might only indicate that the person was desperate to get an immigration benefit versus another person who was able to find high paying work without the degree.

      This is particularly true if you compare candidates from poor countries like India to candidates from rich countries like Japan. The Japanese applicant may be smarter but can get a good job without migrating to the US and so is less motivated to spend years collecting degrees just to get an immigration benefit.
      Oct 10, 2018
    • Microsoft SOkn03
      I agree with that university education should not be a measure for priority. You can't use one single paper to indicate your priority over others. Priority should be based on velocity of your achievements. Do you think University/College admission gives a sh+t about how many Gold Stars of Good Behavior you got when you were in the 1st grade?
      Oct 10, 2018
  • Why not just send all H1Bs back to their home countries after the visa is up?

    Go back and make your country great.
    Oct 10, 2018 4
    • OP
      Because tech companies pay them a lot and want them stay. They need to stay here to get all the unvested RSUs. Sending them back will not automatically make you qualified for the jobs that you are not qualified for.
      Oct 10, 2018
    • No worries, after hiring me these companies are gonna train me to become qualified for such jobs. But dimwits such as H1B holders are surely not going to like it.
      Oct 10, 2018
    • OP
      Tech companies are not factories and software engineers are not technicians. No tech company in the world has ever provided training for software engineers.
      Oct 10, 2018
    • Ok, so you are telling me that you were born with this knowledge, and its not possible to learn it via training?

      Can you please step down from your high pedestal?
      Oct 10, 2018
  • Microsoft SOkn03
    Ban Indians from H1B for a couple of years to correct the uneven balance and prevent increasing Indian GC backlog, then implement quota.
    Oct 10, 2018 0
  • Amazon Kxqy63
    Nonsense poll. All applicants who are not Indian or Chinese can file and obtain work-based GC quickly. It is your problem if you don’t get your GC during OPT assuming that you were not born in these two countries.
    Oct 10, 2018 4
    • Microsoft SOkn03
      So f-ck all those people who want to come into the US and are not students, am I right?
      Oct 11, 2018
    • Amazon Kxqy63
      I don’t understand your point. Those who are not students and have work experiences can file for GC.
      Oct 11, 2018
    • Microsoft SOkn03
      Non Indians and Chinese shouldn't be concerned about getting H1B because they have OPT so it's their problem they can't file and GC while on their OPT. That's your point no? Well what about the people not from India and China that were not students and don't have OPT but want to move and work in the US? How are they supposed to file work based GC without a visa to even work here? Is it their problem they're not students?
      Oct 11, 2018
    • Amazon URLiar
      Solution for you: leave the country.
      Dec 15, 2018
  • DoubleVerify Karius123
    Per country quota for employment based immigration makes 0 sense. A person should not be discriminated based on citizenship or place of birth, just as based on color or race.

    Now, issuing H1Bs based on salaries where the highest bidders (the best indicator of need) get the quote sounds like a better option, which would usually translate into a salary at least comparable if not more than the average American citizen in the same line of work. Maybe one could think of allocating a certain %, say 10%, of total visas for startups since they may not otherwise be able to compete with the FAANGs out there.
    Oct 10, 2018 4
    • Microsoft SOkn03
      Limit companies to a certain percentage of their employees allowed to be on H1B. Companies can qualify for additional H1Bs only if the average salary they are paying is above a certain amount.
      Oct 10, 2018
    • Amazon cayle
      Why doesn't it make sense?

      If it was only about filling short tell employment needs we could just have h1b and no greencard process at all. The h1b already satisfied the employment need. The further step of offering a path to citizenship is a broader goal than just filling one job at one company and many more considerations apply than just the needs of some company.

      Another important goal is making sure that we get immigrants from a variety of countries. Why are you arbitrarily dismissing that goal? It's important it ensures that people integrate and that we don't get racial ghettos but instead s mix of people who find common ground in American values.

      Have you made yourself King of America and decided to tell us what we would want out of our immigration system? Just the goals that are important to you personally and no others?
      Oct 10, 2018
    • DoubleVerify Karius123
      We don't need to make sure that we get immigrants on employment visas from different countries. That's what family visa and diversity visa are for. The employment Visa is meant to bring the best talent to supplement those available in the country, and which country/what race/what color/what genderthey belong to does not matter.

      No, I did not make myself king of America. I replied to a Q asking whether I support quotas on a specific visa, which your highness should know is the purpose of Blind. Who the heck are you to tell me what to comment on and what not to ? Mind your own business man.
      Oct 10, 2018
    • Amazon cayle
      I don't think you have any grounds to state that employment visas are not meant to bring people from different countries when that is exactly what the law says. Clearly it is meant to bring people from different countries, it was set up that way on purpose because bringing people from different countries is a critical goal.

      It seems highly unlikely that all the most meritorious people in the world are living in a single country. Unless you want to embrace racism you would expect all countries to produce an equal share of top people.

      If they all seem to be coming only from a single country then you are most likely just measuring wrong.

      In addition to that when you bring too many from one place they form little bubble communities instead of becoming American. The Bay area is already not diverse enough as a result of a failure to attract diverse talent.
      Oct 10, 2018
  • Microsoft Cddsvg
    Indian is 70% of H1Bs, Chinese is like 7%, why do you put them together?
    Dec 15, 2018 0
  • GlobalFoundries Bhokaaal
    Its India* btw op.
    Oct 10, 2018 0