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Do you support the Yellow Vests in France?

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Dec 3

Or are you pulling for the government.

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  • Apple applpark
    I thought Europeans were so pleased with their socialist governments charging them high taxes. The ones I’ve met working in the US always love giving me that line about how they are happy to pay more so the government can improve society. These protestors seem to be saying something different.
    Dec 35
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Or maybe they are mad that taxes for the rich have been cut while taxes like this have been passed to make up some of the difference.

      https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/23/macron-economic-reforms-stronger-than-trump-tax-cuts.html

      “By trimming corporate rates and a "wealth tax" on the rich, the centrist French leader aimed to make France more business-friendly. Inserting a stent into France's sclerotic labor market, he has moved to loosen hiring-and-firing regulations on companies.”
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    • Oracle Kirby123
      Taxes *always* burden the poor and the working class. In Sweden, in Denmark, in France, in Cuba, in former USSR.

      There’s even a natural reason for that, and it has nothing to do with commie bs about class war.
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    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      ^read the article - the tax cuts from the rich are not separate from shifting taxes into the working class. This is a policy decision, not “nature” like a weather pattern:

      “To finance those changes, Macron seeks to curb France's generous state-funded pensions, especially for affluent retirees. He is hiking "green taxes" to accelerate the shift from carbon-emitting fossil fuels that cause global warming. He strongly backs the Paris climate accord pushing the world toward that same objective.”
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    • Oracle Kirby123
      The natural reason escapes you, even though you’re probably smart enough to deduce why taxing the rich and not the masses never ever worked in practice.

      Look up taxes on the rich in Sweden and compare to taxes collected from the workers and you might begin to understand the nature of the problem.
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    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      You are conflating “general tax revenue collected” with specific policies designed to shift existing tax burden off business and onto the population. It’s an argument like those by climate change deniers who say “well the earth’s climate changes” but refuse to look at the specific mechanisms because those mechanisms (industry) would be ideologically inconvenient to critically examine.
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  • Nvidia zVEC05
    Macron always makes me think of Macaroons, and I like turtles. So here’s turtle macaroons. I may try to make these with yellow vests.
    Dec 31
  • Citibank / Finance$$>RSU
    Yes!!! I support 20 hour work weeks and guaranteed government pensions after 20 years of work. Fucking french assholes
    Dec 30
  • Amazon / Eng$name
    No. On est vraiment trop cons a tout péter.

    And I know it's not just about this bit I can't get behind the fact that the movement started with taxes on diesel at a time where we need to tackle climate change. We can be so fucking backwards sometimes...
    Dec 36
    • Vertivco / R&D
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      So just abolish everybody's businesses down because they're unable to come up with the dozens of thousands or millions of dollars needed to purchase alternative parts? Arrogant craphead.
      Dec 3
    • Amazon / Eng$name
      Love the vocabulary. You've gotta create an incentive to move to cleaner alternatives. Diesel has been unjustifiably taxed lower than gasoline for decades. This is just setting the record straight.
      You're talking like the price of diesel would double under the new tax when it's just a few cents a liter increase. We've seen worst prices at the pump in 2008. WTF is wrong with you dude?
      Dec 3
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      France should build public transit in the suburbs rather than push taxes onto commuters. This is not the way to build a greener economy.
      Dec 3
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      @creditkarma good faith question because your point isn’t entirely clear to me: why shouldn’t commuters bear the brunt of the tax burden if they cause the brunt of the damage and necessitate most of the spending in the first place? Wouldn’t you need the revenues to develop mass transit anyways, and to disincentivize commuting?
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    • Amazon / Eng$name
      ^ this. And things are done to build public transit in the suburbs (Grand Paris, Grand Lyon).
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    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      In general because commuters don’t design or control urban and suburban planning. Workers don’t decide that to afford a place to live they will have to commute long distances to other areas with jobs.

      More specifically because my understanding is that the French government incentivized diesel car production, did not build public transportation outside of city centers and has more recently begun removing train lines and cutting back on rail.

      So in my view this is a structural issue that will require actually building green transportation and development in urban outskirts. The tax just burdens people who have no viable alternative. If you could afford a Tesla, you’d probably just move to Paris anyway.
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  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    Yes.
    Dec 30
  • Apple applpark
    ^exactly. People don’t riot because they hear about other people’s tax cuts. They riot because their own taxes got raised.
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    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      “To finance those changes [cutting taxes on the rich], Macron seeks to curb France's generous state-funded pensions, especially for affluent retirees. He is hiking "green taxes" to accelerate the shift from carbon-emitting fossil fuels that cause global warming.”
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